Forum Overview :: Dragon Age 2
wait hold on I'm more angry than that here's a short screed. Negative! by jeep 02/27/2011, 12:24am PST
Fucking RPGs need to have more than an MMO interface or they're shit and this demo is shit. I know a lot of you don't try to play every MMO so let me get you acquainted: play the Dragon Age 2 demo and understand that's as good as fantasy MMOs get because network shit is complicated and there's only so much you can do over the wire. 10000 identical enemies and miles of identical terrain, and even that stupid lag waiting 45 seconds for drops. Just add an irc chat window in the bottom left corner and you're playing eq2 or rift or whatever.

Mass Effect 2 was a great ride, it was the best game of last year, but it's not an RPG. It's Operation Wolf with cover mechanics and some spaceship bullshit painted over it. There's no excuse to remake that in a fantasy setting. That camera angle doesn't fit melee-centric play and murdering shit on rails doesn't make an RPG.

I played the first Dragon Age all the way through out of a loyalty to the now-dead pen-and-paper RPG industry the game is a simplistic rip of, and I may never be able to shake that loyalty to maybe the only thing I've done every week since I was 5, but I'll be damned if I'll call it good. It had 2 genuine RPG elements and I bet both are gone in the sequel: the varied origin stories were really well done (you should just go back and play them all), and the Lost in Dreams quest was basically what the Mage's Shapeshifting specialization should have been, it was the very best play control and level design in the first game, and once the people in charge saw it they should have stopped development and redone the whole rest of the game and all classes and abilities should have been re-engineered around the play style permitted in that one quest.

RPGs must have better stories, more varied interfaces, and more in-depth character interaction than any MMO, and so they must be better than Dragon Age in every way. Not being tied to the wire means you can push the PC in different directions and make something new and good out of a game, but multiplatform development, having to support retards and their fucking wristwatch-cpu'd xboxes, means PC gamers get stuck using bullshit click-and-recharge interfaces. Where're the fucking destructible objects? Where's the full array of object interactions? Where are the procedurally-managed city-state societies and ecosystems for us to travel to and use our varied skills to interact with in complex ways?

We already know better than this is possible: that sperglord who makes dwarf fortress does the procedural pieces by himself, it can't be that hard for a full team to implement. Plenty of games have had destructible terrain or simple context-menus for interacting with different objects in the environment in varied ways. Sure the social wheel in oblivion wasn't fantastic but I'm sure there's people who can do better. Whichever euro made The Void came up with a brand-new thing I could never have thought of, throw something along those lines in as a magic system or come up with a new one you lazy fucks.

The first Dragon Age is weak and this demo is a piece of utter fucking shit, I could have spent that half hour playing a roguelike I hate and at least found one novel thing, this doesn't even get close. Even Fallout 3 and New Vegas were better than Dragon Age(s) to date, and RPGs must push to be better than those.

...also is it just me or is the great RPS turning into an IGN-style exclusive screenshot preview machine
No demo impressions? None at all. by Worm 02/24/2011, 4:28pm PST NEW
        HI CALTROPS, HOW DO YOU LIKE MY HAS-BEEN NICHE AUDIENCE ACTING CAREER?! NT by Felicia Day (she was in Buffy y'kno 02/26/2011, 6:25pm PST NEW
            I like her well enough when somebody else is doing the writing NT by Entropy Stew 02/26/2011, 8:03pm PST NEW
    demo sucks and I am now dreading the game NT by jeep 02/26/2011, 10:49pm PST NEW
        wait hold on I'm more angry than that here's a short screed. Negative! by jeep 02/27/2011, 12:24am PST NEW
            Have you played the game "Outcast?" NT by Mischief Maker 02/27/2011, 2:57am PST NEW
            Ok, we get it. People who didn't like DA1 won't like DA2. Can we have a real NT by demo review now please? 02/27/2011, 7:25am PST NEW
            The Lost In Dreams quest was boring, terrible. by Fullofkittens 02/27/2011, 11:20am PST NEW
                Don't fool yourself by jeep 03/01/2011, 8:14pm PST NEW
            Great stuff, jeep. NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/01/2011, 5:57pm PST NEW
            Yes, great stuff. ^_^ by Jerry Whorebach 03/01/2011, 9:42pm PST NEW
                Quoting Jim Sterling is not convincing. by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/01/2011, 10:37pm PST NEW
                    He's doing you a favour. You couldn't HANDLE uncropped Jim Sterling 8( by Jerry Whorebach 03/01/2011, 11:23pm PST NEW
                        I, umm, don't really know what to say about this. by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/02/2011, 12:45am PST NEW
                            Wait, I'm kind of lost. We're both despising Jim Sterling here, right? by Jerry Whorebach 03/02/2011, 1:54am PST NEW
                                I definitely despise Jim Sterling and don't trust anything he has to say by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/02/2011, 4:56pm PST NEW
                                    Jim Sterling truly is a horrible person. He revels in it. NT by Ghost of Caltrops' Past 03/02/2011, 8:47pm PST NEW
                                        Re: Jim Sterling truly is a horrible person. He revels in it. by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/02/2011, 10:34pm PST NEW
                                            Re: Jim Sterling truly is a horrible person. He revels in it. by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/09/2011, 7:09pm PST NEW
                                                Oops, (Unearthed) Arcana foul. Sorry. NT by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/09/2011, 9:40pm PST NEW
                                                    haha NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/10/2011, 7:06am PST NEW
                        Vodka and 7-Up please. Hold the vodka. NT by Jim Sterling 03/03/2011, 4:21pm PST NEW
                you have a point by jeep 03/02/2011, 11:33pm PST NEW
                    The 3.6ghz speed doesn't match up with a cpu because of in-order processing by Entropy Stew 03/03/2011, 12:17am PST NEW
                    Re: you have a point by Jerry Whorebach 03/03/2011, 12:57am PST NEW
                        Re: you (and fussbett) have a point by jeep 03/04/2011, 9:03pm PST NEW
                    You missed the point a little bit. by Fussbett 03/03/2011, 1:07am PST NEW
                        So, wait, Far Cry 2 was actually good? NT by Entropy Stew 03/03/2011, 7:31pm PST NEW
                            Everything except the shooting and driving. by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/03/2011, 9:59pm PST NEW
                                Didn't you prefer FarCry shooting over Crysis shooting? by Arbit 03/04/2011, 11:12am PST NEW
                                    I hope you all listened to Arbit by Fussbett 03/18/2011, 1:36am PDT NEW
                                you get the feeling there's a trespasser curse with these kind of games by jeep 03/04/2011, 8:30pm PST NEW
            Re: wait hold on I'm more angry than that here's a short screed. Negative! by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/04/2011, 11:32am PST NEW
                Pre-ordered it. I promise you a full review on or before April 11th NT by WITTGENSTEIN 03/04/2011, 2:57pm PST NEW
    Playing as a fighter is still boring, rogue seems like the mandatory class now by Hans Clastorp 02/27/2011, 12:36pm PST NEW
    After 1 hour: I can't really see what jeep, Worm, and Hans are bitching about. by WITTGENSTEIN 03/09/2011, 5:31am PST NEW
        Reddit is saying that 75% of the game takes place in the same cave NT by Entropy Stew 03/09/2011, 7:58am PST NEW
            Funny, 50% of my time in DA1 was spent in the Deep Roads (aka: A CAVE) NT by WITTGENSTEIN 03/09/2011, 3:08pm PST NEW
                So since it's obvious they were lazier this time around 75% shouldn't be a shock NT by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/09/2011, 3:49pm PST NEW
                    HEY GUYS I HAVEN'T PLAYED THE GAME BUT I'LL SHITPOST ANYWAYS NT by faggotfuckercockeater 03/09/2011, 3:58pm PST NEW
                        No one fucking understands how you liked the DA2 demo. by Worm 03/09/2011, 4:51pm PST NEW
                50% of DA:O was spent trying to have lesbian sex with the redhead by Fullofkittens 03/09/2011, 4:51pm PST NEW
                    Was that possible? Cos I might go get Dragon Age NT by i_hate_goons.vbs 03/09/2011, 6:48pm PST NEW
        psh yeah you wouldn't NT by Worm 03/09/2011, 10:38am PST NEW
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