Forum Overview :: Dragon Age 2
 
Re: you (and fussbett) have a point by jeep 03/04/2011, 9:03pm PST
Jerry Whorebach wrote:

But by the same token, I can think of plenty of PC games designed to run on 16MB 486es that still exhibit more complexity than something like Dragon Age. At a certain point - and I think we probably passed this point with the original Xbox - it becomes increasingly difficult to blame certain developers' lack of ambition on hardware constraints, real as those constraints may be.

Finally something I can't blame on game journalism! Everything else is still their fault, though.

You are right: developers could make games with ambitious social engines alongside pretty graphics. In fact I've seen it with the resource/crafting/economic systems in eve online and swg.

I don't want them to just run it in some datacenter, though. I think toady (as terrible a coder as he is) has still demonstrated this stuff can be run locally on one thread if a developer is clever. I guess I'm saying it's no longer very hard and is now merely pretty hard so pretty ambitious devs should be able to do it.

Fussbett is right: developers who work on AAA games can only make what their investors will fund.

Markets for nonessential goods don't just exist, though. Someone makes something cool and it brings people along, creating and then expanding a market. I know investors are so lazy they may never put dwarf fortress, dragon age and minecraft together. I know it would take 10 groups of them to make one awesome finished product.

I know I want that product, though.

/jeep/
...I played Eschalon Books 1/2 they were suppose to be old-school turn based but they were very stale. There was no reason the distances between stuff couldn't be shortened and the town layouts generated procedurally.
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No demo impressions? None at all. by Worm 02/24/2011, 4:28pm PST NEW
    THIS SUMMER NEW FELICIA DAY WEB SERIES by Worm 02/26/2011, 3:56pm PST NEW
        HI CALTROPS, HOW DO YOU LIKE MY HAS-BEEN NICHE AUDIENCE ACTING CAREER?! NT by Felicia Day (she was in Buffy y'kno 02/26/2011, 6:25pm PST NEW
            I like her well enough when somebody else is doing the writing NT by Entropy Stew 02/26/2011, 8:03pm PST NEW
    demo sucks and I am now dreading the game NT by jeep 02/26/2011, 10:49pm PST NEW
        wait hold on I'm more angry than that here's a short screed. Negative! by jeep 02/27/2011, 12:24am PST NEW
            Have you played the game "Outcast?" NT by Mischief Maker 02/27/2011, 2:57am PST NEW
            Ok, we get it. People who didn't like DA1 won't like DA2. Can we have a real NT by demo review now please? 02/27/2011, 7:25am PST NEW
            The Lost In Dreams quest was boring, terrible. by Fullofkittens 02/27/2011, 11:20am PST NEW
                Don't fool yourself by jeep 03/01/2011, 8:14pm PST NEW
            Great stuff, jeep. NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/01/2011, 5:57pm PST NEW
            Yes, great stuff. ^_^ by Jerry Whorebach 03/01/2011, 9:42pm PST NEW
                Quoting Jim Sterling is not convincing. by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/01/2011, 10:37pm PST NEW
                    He's doing you a favour. You couldn't HANDLE uncropped Jim Sterling 8( by Jerry Whorebach 03/01/2011, 11:23pm PST NEW
                        I, umm, don't really know what to say about this. by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/02/2011, 12:45am PST NEW
                            Wait, I'm kind of lost. We're both despising Jim Sterling here, right? by Jerry Whorebach 03/02/2011, 1:54am PST NEW
                                I definitely despise Jim Sterling and don't trust anything he has to say by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/02/2011, 4:56pm PST NEW
                                    Jim Sterling truly is a horrible person. He revels in it. NT by Ghost of Caltrops' Past 03/02/2011, 8:47pm PST NEW
                                        Re: Jim Sterling truly is a horrible person. He revels in it. by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/02/2011, 10:34pm PST NEW
                                            Re: Jim Sterling truly is a horrible person. He revels in it. by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/09/2011, 7:09pm PST NEW
                                                Oops, (Unearthed) Arcana foul. Sorry. NT by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/09/2011, 9:40pm PST NEW
                                                    haha NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/10/2011, 7:06am PST NEW
                        Vodka and 7-Up please. Hold the vodka. NT by Jim Sterling 03/03/2011, 4:21pm PST NEW
                you have a point by jeep 03/02/2011, 11:33pm PST NEW
                    The 3.6ghz speed doesn't match up with a cpu because of in-order processing by Entropy Stew 03/03/2011, 12:17am PST NEW
                    Re: you have a point by Jerry Whorebach 03/03/2011, 12:57am PST NEW
                        Re: you (and fussbett) have a point by jeep 03/04/2011, 9:03pm PST NEW
                    You missed the point a little bit. by Fussbett 03/03/2011, 1:07am PST NEW
                        So, wait, Far Cry 2 was actually good? NT by Entropy Stew 03/03/2011, 7:31pm PST NEW
                            Everything except the shooting and driving. by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/03/2011, 9:59pm PST NEW
                                Didn't you prefer FarCry shooting over Crysis shooting? by Arbit 03/04/2011, 11:12am PST NEW
                                    I hope you all listened to Arbit by Fussbett 03/18/2011, 1:36am PDT NEW
                                you get the feeling there's a trespasser curse with these kind of games by jeep 03/04/2011, 8:30pm PST NEW
            Re: wait hold on I'm more angry than that here's a short screed. Negative! by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/04/2011, 11:32am PST NEW
                Pre-ordered it. I promise you a full review on or before April 11th NT by WITTGENSTEIN 03/04/2011, 2:57pm PST NEW
    Playing as a fighter is still boring, rogue seems like the mandatory class now by Hans Clastorp 02/27/2011, 12:36pm PST NEW
    After 1 hour: I can't really see what jeep, Worm, and Hans are bitching about. by WITTGENSTEIN 03/09/2011, 5:31am PST NEW
        Reddit is saying that 75% of the game takes place in the same cave NT by Entropy Stew 03/09/2011, 7:58am PST NEW
            Funny, 50% of my time in DA1 was spent in the Deep Roads (aka: A CAVE) NT by WITTGENSTEIN 03/09/2011, 3:08pm PST NEW
                So since it's obvious they were lazier this time around 75% shouldn't be a shock NT by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/09/2011, 3:49pm PST NEW
                    HEY GUYS I HAVEN'T PLAYED THE GAME BUT I'LL SHITPOST ANYWAYS NT by faggotfuckercockeater 03/09/2011, 3:58pm PST NEW
                        No one fucking understands how you liked the DA2 demo. by Worm 03/09/2011, 4:51pm PST NEW
                50% of DA:O was spent trying to have lesbian sex with the redhead by Fullofkittens 03/09/2011, 4:51pm PST NEW
                    Was that possible? Cos I might go get Dragon Age NT by i_hate_goons.vbs 03/09/2011, 6:48pm PST NEW
        psh yeah you wouldn't NT by Worm 03/09/2011, 10:38am PST NEW
 
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