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Not being able to prove the execs knowingly committed fraud was the problem by (reply to MM too) 04/08/2016, 5:41pm PDT
The Happiness Engine wrote:

just curious wrote:

He demands Wall Street executives be prosecuted, but either has no clue or won't admit that everything leading to the crash was perfectly legal. Which financial laws were broken?
Goldman Sachs vigorously pushing CDOs while shorting them and leaving a giant paper trail explaining to each other how dog-shit these investments were is the actual, literal, definition of fraud. I see how this is a tough concept for you.


Turns out those people are pretty good at plausible deniability. Do you have more information than the department of justice? You should email them with the info to crack the case!

You think I don't wish cancer upon those financial execs? Unfortunately, the reality is that you can't prosecute crimes when the action is legal or you lack proof. There's that whole "reality" thing getting in the way of the BERNIE SMASH dream.

You know what really pisses me off about Bernie? He's trying his hardest to push the whole "both parties are just as awful and corrupt" narrative, pledging that he's the only hope for changing that. How? By believing in faeries and clapping loudly enough? A Democratic president has enough trouble getting anything done when he is willing to compromise. How is Bernie going to get jack shit accomplished without a massive change in the house and senate? "It's going to be a long, hard road of getting what we can get until enough election cycles have passed and enough people go vote to get enough Republicans out of office so we can finally start delivering on these big promises" doesn't get people fired up at rallies and sharing bird videos.

You could argue Sanders has to avoid talk like that for an election because it's a popularity contest, but the man has based his entire 25 year political career on the everything or nothing approach.


Thanks for the personal slam though. It really does help prove that Bernie supporters aren't just shooting from the emotional hip. Man, just look at the comments in that Barney Frank video for what happens when someone is told the disappointing reality they don't want to hear.

Here's another clip of Barney telling idealistic activists what they don't want to hear.



How many messes would we not be in if all these people had voted in midterm elections, kicking enough Republicans out of office so that politicians like Frank wouldn't have to compromise and take single payer off the table? I think most people forget how pretty much every major worker and civil right bill of the 20th century was passed when Democrats enjoyed majorities. Now people are expecting another FDR when Republicans control the legislative branch. MM is setting himself up to be another scorned lover if he's expecting Bernie to somehow deliver on more promises than Obama when there are even less Democrats in the house & senate.

But that's not the overly simplistic, emotionally charged answer Rachel Maddow and her viewers want to hear. "What do you mean protesting and shouting and holding up signs alone won't get anything done? There's enough FEELS here to magically get what we want!"
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Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by Mischief Maker 04/05/2016, 5:37pm PDT NEW
    Oh god a little sprite bernie appeared NT by Worm 04/05/2016, 6:21pm PDT NEW
    AP called it for Bernie! Now the question is by how much? NT by Mischief Maker 04/05/2016, 7:04pm PDT NEW
        13 point lead? Not bad! by Mischief Maker 04/06/2016, 5:13am PDT NEW
            Not that you'll hear about it in the mainstream press. NT by Quest for the Dean Scream 04/07/2016, 5:53pm PDT NEW
                Holy fuck. by Mischief Maker 04/07/2016, 7:00pm PDT NEW
                    Interesting by Mysterio 04/07/2016, 10:59pm PDT NEW
                        Now he's getting a fist-bump from the pope?! What a rollercoaster of a campaign! by Mischief Maker 04/08/2016, 9:47am PDT NEW
    Should I be proud of my Republican neighbors? by Mischief Maker 04/05/2016, 7:51pm PDT NEW
        Whaaaaaaat the hell NT by Vested Id 04/06/2016, 3:42am PDT NEW
    Why do you love Sanders? by just curious 04/08/2016, 9:58am PDT NEW
        and I'm asking because you normally seem well informed on this stuff by just curious 04/08/2016, 10:00am PDT NEW
        Re: Why do you love Sanders? by Mischief Maker 04/08/2016, 11:29am PDT NEW
            Refer to my long posts below for more details, but by just curious 04/08/2016, 6:46pm PDT NEW
        Why do you love Kool-Aid? NT by Even more curious 04/08/2016, 2:51pm PDT NEW
            It washes away the bad taste left by this video: by Mischief Maker 04/08/2016, 3:51pm PDT NEW
                Hey dumbass I was insulting Curious not you NT by Wall Street commited no crimes 04/08/2016, 5:42pm PDT NEW
                    a simplistic, emotional insult. Thanks. Have you seen the Daily News interview? by just curious 04/08/2016, 6:33pm PDT NEW
        Re: Why do you love Sanders? by The Happiness Engine 04/08/2016, 3:57pm PDT NEW
            Not being able to prove the execs knowingly committed fraud was the problem by (reply to MM too) 04/08/2016, 5:41pm PDT NEW
                Sanders' plan to rein in banks amounts to praying for a miracle by Mysterio 04/09/2016, 11:13am PDT NEW
                    That's another problem with Bernie by just curious 04/09/2016, 6:48pm PDT NEW
        Re: Why do you love Sanders? by Vested Id 04/08/2016, 5:07pm PDT NEW
            Re: Why do you love Sanders? by (reply to MM too) 04/08/2016, 6:11pm PDT NEW
                Leftist coalitions have been a wreck since the fall of unions by skip 04/09/2016, 11:55am PDT NEW
                    The purity test obsession and niche assholes is what's killing progressives by just curious 04/09/2016, 1:11pm PDT NEW
                        Psst! Scroll down! NT by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 1:15pm PDT NEW
                Re: Why do you love Sanders? by Vested Id 04/11/2016, 2:31am PDT NEW
        Re: Why do you love Sanders? by Mischief Maker 04/08/2016, 8:41pm PDT NEW
            A little more on Sanders' legislative record before bed by Mischief Maker 04/08/2016, 8:49pm PDT NEW
                Rolling Stone? NT by really? 04/09/2016, 10:17am PDT NEW
                    You would prefer something by the New York Times? by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 12:45pm PDT NEW
                    Going DURR on the source is really weak. by Mysterio 04/09/2016, 12:51pm PDT NEW
                        Bernie himself is the best source by just curious 04/09/2016, 7:06pm PDT NEW
                    How 'bout this? by Mischief Maker 04/17/2016, 7:42pm PDT NEW
                So he set a record for amendments, and not a single one made it through? by just curious 04/09/2016, 10:53am PDT NEW
                    Re: So he set a record for amendments, and not a single one made it through? by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 12:51pm PDT NEW
                    Also: by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 12:57pm PDT NEW
                        (This is the guy who inspired the character of Gordon Gekko) NT by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 1:00pm PDT NEW
                            I'm trying to take you seriously here by just curious 04/09/2016, 1:15pm PDT NEW
                                No you're not. by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 1:33pm PDT NEW
                                You're getting your ass kicked. NT by Mysterio 04/09/2016, 3:16pm PDT NEW
                                    ^ the substance of a Sanders supporter NT by just curious 04/09/2016, 7:07pm PDT NEW
                                        Guys, this person is just curious and of high substance. NT by Kenny Mayne 04/10/2016, 10:24pm PDT NEW
                                I just fucking hate women. Is that an acceptable reason? NT by Worm 04/09/2016, 4:10pm PDT NEW
                                    Only if your hate is honest by Issue an emergency CALTROPS CARES! 04/09/2016, 4:44pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: Only if your hate is honest by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 5:07pm PDT NEW
                                            This is why I'm not bothered by Sanders's silly shoot-for-the moon goals. by Fullofkittens 04/09/2016, 6:54pm PDT NEW
                                                That style of negotiation only works if the other side is by just curious 04/09/2016, 7:51pm PDT NEW
                                                    also only if you're willing to scale down the initial offer by just curious 04/09/2016, 8:00pm PDT NEW
                                                    I was alluding to huge funding, weapon deals by Not Congressional bills 04/09/2016, 8:57pm PDT NEW
                                        Down with old white men patriarchy! In with Bernie! NT by an actual Binro opinion 04/09/2016, 6:33pm PDT NEW
                                speaking of independent Senators by just curious 04/09/2016, 6:29pm PDT NEW
                                    Why is people switching party affiliation such a big issue? by Worm 04/09/2016, 7:53pm PDT NEW
                                        In principle? It's not by just curious 04/09/2016, 8:01pm PDT NEW
                                            But that's a different old jewish man, right? NT by Worm 04/09/2016, 8:15pm PDT NEW
                                You're killing laudablepuss, Larry! NT by Walter Sobchak 04/09/2016, 8:52pm PDT NEW
            okay, now you're just making stuff up by just curious 04/09/2016, 7:37pm PDT NEW
                holy shit, you thought you were telling jokes this whole time?! NT by speaking frankily 04/09/2016, 7:53pm PDT NEW
                He's less overexcited than you about all of this. NT by Worm 04/09/2016, 8:00pm PDT NEW
                    another "I dont care about another yet topic" Worm post ding grats NT by +1 04/09/2016, 8:20pm PDT NEW
                        I care about the topic, jc is far more excitable as anti-bernie than mm is pro by Worm 04/09/2016, 8:41pm PDT NEW
        Let's try this from a different angle. by Mischief Maker 04/10/2016, 5:45am PDT NEW
            Media loves drama. They're out to "get" anyone. NT by Do you think they love Clinton? 04/10/2016, 6:21pm PDT NEW
                Re: Media loves drama. They're out to "get" anyone. by Mischief Maker 04/15/2016, 6:56am PDT NEW
                    I wonder if there's a better source for media coverage by than some photo bitching about CNN 04/16/2016, 8:45am PDT NEW
                "Bernie Sanders says private meeting with Pope Francis is not an endorsement" NT by Washington Post Headline 04/16/2016, 8:16am PDT NEW
    Bernie wins by double digits again in Wyoming! by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 5:18pm PDT NEW
        Yeah, but check the allocation after superdelegates by not enough for Berning Man 04/09/2016, 9:05pm PDT NEW
            Berning Man! I'm stealing that NT by perfect description of Sanders base 04/12/2016, 10:22pm PDT NEW
                This primary represents the eternal battle between Hippies and Yuppies. NT by Mischief Maker 04/14/2016, 4:27pm PDT NEW
    Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja 04/11/2016, 12:17pm PDT NEW
        Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by Historio 04/11/2016, 2:09pm PDT NEW
    Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja 04/17/2016, 1:15pm PDT NEW
        So... white people attract rain clouds? by Mischief Maker 04/17/2016, 1:30pm PDT NEW
    Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja 04/17/2016, 1:34pm PDT NEW
    Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja 04/17/2016, 1:39pm PDT NEW
    Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja 04/17/2016, 1:43pm PDT NEW
    Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja watching 04/17/2016, 3:12pm PDT NEW
        Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja watching 04/17/2016, 3:14pm PDT NEW
            They are great jumping off points for additional discussions, however. by Kenny Mayne 04/17/2016, 3:18pm PDT NEW
 
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