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by blackwater 07/27/2016, 2:58am PDT |
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A lot of people in this thread are claiming that stricter gun control laws would have prevented something a terrorist attack like the Orlando shootings from happening (or at least made it a lot less likely).
I do not believe that this is the case, and I already clearly stated the reasons why:
1. Because there are other ways for terrorists to cause mayhem. For example, the guy in Nice who drove his truck into a crowd.
2. Because there are always ways around gun control for someone who is sufficiently determined. All of these Islamic terrorists accept that they're going to die as part of their attack. If you're willing to give up your entire life, you're certainly willing to give up a few grand to pay a smuggler or a crooked cop. And so, the war on guns will end exactly the same way as the war on drugs. In failure.
I believe that gun control is irrelevant to the issue of controlling Islamic terrorism, and that the media's cynical attempt to use it to drum up support for restrictive gun laws is appalling. The obvious things that we should be focusing on are better policing and more effective sharing of intelligence between parts of the government.
Your counterargument is that "gun crimes have gone way down over there." But that has nothing to do with my argument, which is that gun control is irrelevant to preventing terrorism. Crime is not terrorism, although most kinds of terrorism are crimes. The argument that we were debating was specifically whether gun control would prevent terrorism, not about whether it helped with something else.
Even though it's irrelevant to the argument, I can't help but point out that "reducing gun crime" is a pretty silly thing to measure. At least measure something useful like the homicide rate or the number of police who got shot per year, etc. Also you misspelled "because." |
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Ban guns NT by Mysterio 06/12/2016, 8:46pm PDT 
Ban posts by Reddit /news mod 06/12/2016, 8:57pm PDT
Ban guns in video games! by Justin McElroy 06/12/2016, 8:58pm PDT
Ban Muslims NT by Donald Trump 06/12/2016, 9:24pm PDT
Correction: ban gay self-loathing Muslims by Donald Trump 06/13/2016, 6:09pm PDT
Ban Obama! by Oom Shnibble 06/14/2016, 2:13am PDT
Good news, the games industry is working dilligently to make unfun FPSes like CO by laudablepuss 06/13/2016, 9:08am PDT
Why they can't ban guns in video games by Commander Tansin A. Darcos 06/13/2016, 2:30pm PDT
I will vouch for the validity of this post NT by Vested Id 06/13/2016, 3:00pm PDT
I'll confess that this cracked me up. by John Gulp 06/13/2016, 7:42pm PDT
Hooray! Another asshole uses this senseless tragedy to argue politics! YaaY! by Roop 06/14/2016, 2:23am PDT
Fuck people trying to find solutions to stop tragedies? by I agree! 06/14/2016, 3:34am PDT
Re: Fuck people trying to find solutions to stop tragedies? by Roop 06/14/2016, 8:32am PDT
WTF did I do? I never said I give two shits about gun control either way! by Roop 06/14/2016, 12:40pm PDT
"Why the bombings mean we must support my politics" --asshole edition by blackwater 06/14/2016, 8:01pm PDT
The tragedy that politicians are trying to stop is losing in November by blackwater 06/23/2016, 5:32pm PDT
You do realize the Orlando shooter was a closet case who contracted HIV, right? NT by This WAS a crime of passion 06/23/2016, 6:03pm PDT
Holy shit you're gullible by pinback's mom 06/23/2016, 7:34pm PDT
Those pangs of guilt - pure spin I tell ya! It's a genius play! by blackwater 06/23/2016, 6:26pm PDT
"What's the point of laws, people are just going to break them." NT by Fullofkittens 06/14/2016, 5:31am PDT
*does not apply to: sex, drugs, marriage, childbirth, other conservative causes NT by a Randian by any other name 06/14/2016, 7:20am PDT
Watch out, terrorists deplore scoff laws NT by Roop 06/14/2016, 8:48am PDT
An excellent point for abolishing all law NT by a fucking idiot 06/14/2016, 8:50am PDT
Fine, make all weapons illegal, like I care. Er, can I keep my kitchen knives? NT by Roop 06/14/2016, 8:56am PDT
Maybe people investigated by FBI for radicalization NT by Shouldn't pass background check? 06/14/2016, 7:52am PDT
But the guy in Orlando passed? Anyone simply-investigated-fails the test, great NT by Roop 06/14/2016, 8:53am PDT
Stick to Star Wars comics, Roop. It's embarrassing seeing you like this. NT by A message from Caltrops cares 06/14/2016, 11:57am PDT
Re: Stick to Star Wars comics, Roop. It's embarrassing seeing you like this. by Roop 06/14/2016, 12:44pm PDT
Gun control worked for Australia. by Oom Shnibble 06/16/2016, 3:12am PDT
Re: Gun control worked for Australia. by Roop 06/16/2016, 3:16pm PDT
Australia has over 11x the population of Kansas by Vested Id 06/16/2016, 5:10pm PDT
He'd have been too distracted by dick to get one on the black market. NT by Mischief Maker 06/16/2016, 6:24pm PDT
Why are you assuming he would have done it anyway? by Vested Id 06/16/2016, 10:44pm PDT
It's "irrevelant" that the solution that you're suggesting doesn't work? by blackwater 06/16/2016, 10:28pm PDT
You can't regulate guns, scientific fact NT by Vested Id 06/16/2016, 10:33pm PDT
Re: Australia has over 11x the population of Kansas by Roop 06/22/2016, 1:43pm PDT
Ignore this, fuck it! NT by Roop 06/22/2016, 2:02pm PDT
Fuck It! Fuck it! Fuck It! by Roop 06/22/2016, 2:07pm PDT
Assault rifle sale restrictions vs. psychological exam of 300+ million citizens NT by One of these is more feasible. 06/22/2016, 2:28pm PDT
There's something here by and it's not Omar's SIG MCX 06/22/2016, 6:54pm PDT
Re: Australia has over 11x the population of Kansas by Vested Id 06/22/2016, 11:11pm PDT
9 victims dead in Munich shooting by blackwater 07/26/2016, 1:06am PDT
SEE?! GUN CONTROL DOESN'T WORK CUZ THERE WAS A SHOOTING! by I am an idiot, bereft of logic. 07/26/2016, 6:00am PDT
Please read the thread more carefully. by blackwater 07/27/2016, 2:58am PDT
Legalize C4 because of Tim McVeigh NT by a fucking idiot 07/27/2016, 2:35am PDT
Continue regulating C4, but don't trumpet it as the solution to all terrorism by blackwater 08/01/2016, 10:08pm PDT
I meant to write "doesn't make anyone safer from terrorism" by blackwater 08/01/2016, 10:10pm PDT
Shut the fuck up. This isn't Lum the Mad's hugbox NT by Donald Trump 06/14/2016, 6:10pm PDT
Shut the FUCK up, Fortinbras by of COURSE you support this idiocy 06/14/2016, 6:20pm PDT
I thought he made good points. NT by Kenny Mayne 06/15/2016, 8:17pm PDT
Do you think letting gays donate blood counts as politics too? by Worm 06/14/2016, 6:55pm PDT
Yes, if it's the Red Cross? by Roop 06/15/2016, 11:36pm PDT
Islamic extremism is fucked up. by Oom Shnibble 06/16/2016, 3:19am PDT
FWIW it kinda seems like Orlando is the latter masquerading as the former. NT by Fullofkittens 06/16/2016, 5:37am PDT
Why are so many people on the left invested in NOT blaming "Islamic Extremists"? by This question is for anybody 06/16/2016, 6:51am PDT
Re: Why are so many people on the left invested in NOT blaming "Islamic Extre... by Which people? 06/16/2016, 7:53am PDT
Because they're involved in very few of these, and it allows dullards to mask or NT by avoid the issue. 06/16/2016, 8:06am PDT
Distrust of our own right wing. They'd run with that ball to a very ugly place. NT by Mischief Maker 06/16/2016, 8:13am PDT
Makes sense, thank you. NT by Original guy that wrote that / myst 06/16/2016, 9:30am PDT
"They'd" is the wrong tense. NT by pinback 06/16/2016, 10:00am PDT
"They would" NT by Mischief Grammar Godwin 06/16/2016, 11:26am PDT
The TENSE is wrong. "They WOULD" implies it happens in the future. NT by pinback 06/16/2016, 12:07pm PDT
^Tacos ator apparently NT by laudablepuss 06/16/2016, 12:17pm PDT
Eat a totebag of fetid yak dicks, you fuck. *** VERIFIED *** NT by pinback 06/16/2016, 1:02pm PDT
Does fetid mean there's alcohol in it? Okay, I'll take one with coke. by laudablepuss 06/16/2016, 1:51pm PDT
Future tense is what I intended, yes. NT by Mischief Preview Button 06/16/2016, 1:56pm PDT
Stop treating modal auxiliary verbs like preterites NT by Entropy Stew 06/16/2016, 5:25pm PDT
Actually, "They'd" can be whatever tense you desire: "They Would" or "They Had." NT by Mischief Preview Button 06/16/2016, 3:26pm PDT
Are we sure this wasn't a joke about how it already happened? NT by Rafiki 06/16/2016, 5:43pm PDT
They ought to call you pinbackpedal. Rafiki pinbackpedal, failed grammar nazi. NT by Tenser's Floating Quantifier 06/16/2016, 6:58pm PDT
That is correct. I now suspect I'm the only non-autistic person on this BBS. NT by pinback 06/17/2016, 4:22pm PDT
Maybe you don't know how to write a joke? by Mischief Maker 06/17/2016, 6:27pm PDT
Which is it, Cables? by a fucking idiot 06/17/2016, 4:07pm PDT
I believe in the Big Bang Theory NT by South Park says it, *bang* it's tru 06/17/2016, 6:04pm PDT
end comment sections by Mysterio 07/27/2016, 10:59pm PDT
It may help people to begin disidentifying with their own thoughts. NT by Eckhart Tolle 07/28/2016, 5:34am PDT
Re: It may help people to begin disidentifying with their own thoughts. by Vested Id 07/28/2016, 9:02pm PDT
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