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on your second point though by we're so fucked 02/08/2017, 12:24am PST
Meanwhile bratty children calling for smart and principled Democrats are apparently dooming the party. Why won't they listen to the adults in the room and support Cory Booker? Does it really matter that he's in bed with Betsy DeVos' AFC organization?


Yes, petulant children are a significant demographic that is ruining the democratic party, the only political entity capable of defeating republicans (at least until we drop first past the post and move towards a preferential voting system).

"Principled" is the most overrated word in contemporary politics. It's used to sell dogmatic viewpoints and candidates completely divorced from any kind of pragmatic consequences and realities.

Libertarians are "principled" for never deviating from their "GOVERNMENT BAD!" mantra, despite that logical conclusion being a ridiculously awful idea.

Ayn Rand protagonists are "principled" for never compromising selfish worldviews.

Bernie is "principled" for voting to block TARP because anything that doesn't inflict maximum punishment on big banks is unacceptable. Forget the pragmatic reality that, while it was far from perfect, TARP was needed quickly to prevent Great Depression 2 and holy shit it was a miracle that any such deal managed to get any support at all from death cult house republicans. Gallons of midnight oil were burned to get a passable deal on the table and goddamn Bernie voted to block it because "principles".

Recently, "principled" children were screaming for Elizabeth Warren's head for announcing that she would support Ben Carson's appointment to head the department of housing and urban development. She admitted he wasn't the ideal candidate but he stood miles above the other appointees by the simple fact that he didn't want to dismantle the office he was to head. The reality was that they couldn't oppose ALL the nominations and who's to say Carson's replacement wouldn't be worse?

Nope, not good enough for the "principled" children. Up goes Warren's head on the Brand New Congress chopping block. An "unprincipled" democrat is just as bad as any republican! It never occurs to any of these idiots that republican numbers are a big part of why democrats can't deliver the progressive unicorn they demand.
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Robert Reich, the face of why progressive change is doomed by we're so fucked 02/05/2017, 5:07pm PST NEW
    How badly do establishment Dems have to lose for you to say Clintonism failed? by Mischief Maker 02/05/2017, 8:50pm PST NEW
        How badly? Worse than the guy who lost the popular vote in the primary. by we're so fucked 02/05/2017, 9:19pm PST NEW
            It's like reading Time Cube stripped of humor and artistry NT by Worm 02/05/2017, 10:12pm PST NEW
            You can't get snarky with MM since you failed to make an argument yourself. by Mysterio 02/05/2017, 11:29pm PST NEW
                This post was not from Mysterio, I typed ":" in the Author field and this is NT by what occured. 02/05/2017, 11:31pm PST NEW
                Conservatives believe everyone should get what they deserve. by Mysterio 02/06/2017, 12:21am PST NEW
                    I guess since you don't have an argument, you had to focus on trivial mistakes. NT by Better luck next time. 02/06/2017, 12:39am PST NEW
                You must be an engineer. by blackwater 02/06/2017, 1:24pm PST NEW
                    Re: You must be an engineer. by Mysterio 02/06/2017, 2:19pm PST NEW
                        How do you expect people to provide evidence to a thread that is based entirely NT by on your emotional response? 02/06/2017, 2:49pm PST NEW
                        That's a good question by for some 02/07/2017, 12:44pm PST NEW
                            This was meant to be a reply to "How do you expect ..." by Mr Some 02/07/2017, 12:49pm PST NEW
                                I own no memes. NT by :( 02/07/2017, 12:53pm PST NEW
                                Why are all of these terrible insinuations being directed towards me? by All I did was argue for equality: 02/07/2017, 1:07pm PST NEW
                                    We sell the country, give everyone an equal share of the cash, then see who NT by rises to the top in Canada. 02/07/2017, 1:25pm PST NEW
                    You wrote a lot of claptrap, and not a lot of argument. by Also: 02/06/2017, 5:48pm PST NEW
                        We're flying too close to the sun on wings of not stepping over dead babies. by Stephen King 02/06/2017, 8:04pm PST NEW
                            You're right, IQ doesn't determine anything, it's not genetic, and your one NT by example proves it. Good job! 02/06/2017, 9:03pm PST NEW
                                Then how do you explain the direct correlation of higher IQ populations having NT by nicer, more developed Countries? 02/06/2017, 9:33pm PST NEW
                                    I'm not arguing with you, pal. I'm making hilarious jokes at your expense. by Stephen King 02/06/2017, 9:53pm PST NEW
                                        You are the joke. by Debate Moderator 02/07/2017, 7:55am PST NEW
                                            Everyone you disagree with is a Nazi. NT by Got it. 02/07/2017, 10:08am PST NEW
                                                You may be a Nazi, i dont know, but Stephen King is the insufferable feminist NT by Debate Moderator 02/07/2017, 10:48am PST NEW
                                                    Everyone you disagree with is a feminist. NT by Got it. 02/07/2017, 10:54am PST NEW
                                            Losers are eager to make friends because they don't have any. by Stephen King 02/07/2017, 10:54am PST NEW
                                                Maybe you and MM can swap jokes about how fat the losers kicking in your teeth NT by with jackboots are in the FEMA camp 02/07/2017, 11:19am PST NEW
                                                    I can tell I touched a nerve. I just don't want to picture the blubbery mess of NT by hair and pimples I touched it on. 02/07/2017, 12:08pm PST NEW
                                                        If only we had your edgy commentary in 2016, Hillary might be president by Look here for your future posts 02/07/2017, 2:53pm PST NEW
                                                            I love that even though I went bald in this, I still kept a youthful attitude. by Stephen King 02/07/2017, 3:51pm PST NEW
                                                    Leave me out of this shitty subthread. by MM 02/07/2017, 4:27pm PST NEW
                                                        If poor people don't deserve the consequences of their decisions, than who does? by Also: 02/07/2017, 5:00pm PST NEW
                                                            Jesus fucking Christ, this is why this place is such a shithouse by Look here for your future posts 02/07/2017, 5:14pm PST NEW
                                                                I'm not into the Bell Curve or eugenics. I argued for equality. What is the NT by ethical problem of equality? 02/08/2017, 5:39am PST NEW
                                                        Hey I finally agree with Mischief by we're so fucked 02/07/2017, 11:35pm PST NEW
                                                            on your second point though by we're so fucked 02/08/2017, 12:24am PST NEW
                                                                Great! We're back on track for a productive conversation. by Mischief Maker 02/08/2017, 5:00pm PST NEW
                                                                    I'm not so sure, I feel the "cupping invisible tits" demographic are going to NT by come out strong in 2020. 02/09/2017, 7:45am PST NEW
                                                                        Well hey, the "pussy grabbing" demographic carried 2016, so what do I know? NT by MM 02/09/2017, 7:32pm PST NEW
                                                            I never mentioned race, just IQ. That's because I'm not a racist, you might be NT by one though from your assumptions. 02/08/2017, 5:29am PST NEW
                                        Everyone you you disagree with who doesn't bring race into a debate is racist. NT by Got it. 02/07/2017, 10:09am PST NEW
                        Re: You wrote a lot of claptrap, and not a lot of argument. by Johnny Fivedicks 02/07/2017, 4:16pm PST NEW
                        I thought you were trolling because your name was colon, I can see now that by I was mistaken. Apologies! 02/10/2017, 12:40am PST NEW
            That's not what we're talking about here. by Mischief Maker 02/06/2017, 5:22am PST NEW
                Honest question about how this shit works. by Johnny Fivedicks 02/06/2017, 8:46am PST NEW
                    I don't see them doing that to Biden. by Mischief Maker 02/06/2017, 10:19am PST NEW
    You're absolutely right! The left is soooo totally fucked and there's nothing NT by you can do about it. Enjoy it! 02/07/2017, 10:12am PST NEW
 
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