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by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 1:49pm PST |
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mark wrote:
I need clarification wrote:
How the hell was BSP not revolutionary for its time? Because sooner or later it would have been invented anyway? Does that mean if and when time travel is invented, the guy will be considered a fucking implementer of BINRO'S THEORY?
Well, Carmack would need a time machine to have created BSP trees as I believe the data structure was first discussed in a 1975 paper by J. L. Bentley (athough discussions of using trees to do hidden edge removal dates back to 1969 paper by R. A. Schumacker, R. Brand, M. Gilliland, and W. Sharp). Furthermore, the first use of it as a way to render solid 3d scenes was by Fuchs, Kedem, and Naylor in 1983. Naylor went on to write a whole slug of papers about 3d rendering using BSP through-out the 1980s and 1990s. Other exciting papers include Chin and Feiner's paper on using BSP trees for near real time shadow generation from 1989, etc. Of course all they did was to come up with the theories, show proof of the validity, and in many cases implement these algorithms opposed to implementing them 10 years later (when hardware had caught up) and making a game out of it.
mark
It was the Schumacker and Bentley papers I believe Carmack was referring to when I read where the idea came from, but the fact that there were prior existing implementations (albeit many in tech demos and papers) can also be said of, to the best of my knowledge, every major 'innovation' of Carmack's with the exception of Commander Keen's clock-independence to the best of my knowledge. As for the Reverse . . . it would be nice if someone more qualified than me (and with a better inside knowledge of the who/when of the) weighed in on this. Unlike visibility, I don't really have a good understanding of shadow algorithms.
This is, again, what I've been saying from the beginning - Carmack excels at taking existing ideas and finding local optima for them with 1-2 notable exceptions. There is a difference between a great programmer and someone who gives birth to fundamentally new ideas like some sort of oracle, and many people seem to misunderstand this.
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Carmack's 'rocket' by Senor Barborito 02/05/2003, 5:41am PST
Re: Carmack's 'rocket' by Mischief Maker 02/05/2003, 11:58am PST
Sheesh by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 12:01am PST
Re: Sheesh by Cyrris 02/09/2003, 1:26am PST
That's telling me by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 2:11am PST
Well by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 6:06am PST
I don't get it! by Fussbett 02/09/2003, 1:11am PST
He's jealous. Duh. -nt- NT by Entropy Stew 02/09/2003, 3:22am PST
I'm not much of a programmer by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 4:58am PST
You're not much of anything by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 5:32am PST
Re: You're not much of anything by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 5:47am PST
Re: You're not much of anything by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 6:29am PST
That's better than being unable to read by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 5:49am PST
Also question for the moron by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 5:56am PST
Oh, stop with the pretending you know math, already. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 6:32am PST
"You can't read." Brilliant. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 6:28am PST
Better than anything you've posted to the site, at least by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 12:43pm PST
Holy crap, it just occurred to me. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 2:31pm PST
PS: by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 2:49pm PST
Hahahaha by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 3:18pm PST
Thank you for proving my point. by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 3:17pm PST
Tsk tsk, and you were almost making sense up until that point by Entropy Stew 02/09/2003, 4:55pm PST
You're both right and wrong. by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 5:45pm PST
Carmack: History's rocketeer or programmer? by Fussbett 02/09/2003, 6:08pm PST
Presumably by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 6:18pm PST
Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 6:16pm PST
Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 7:10pm PST
Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 7:13pm PST
Hell by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 8:51pm PST
Also by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 8:58pm PST
Hold up by mark 02/09/2003, 9:19pm PST
Re: Hell by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 11:48pm PST
Re: Hell by Senor Barborito 02/10/2003, 12:07am PST
Re: Hell by Zebco Fuckface 02/11/2003, 7:08am PST
Lot of network talk over the past few days .. by bastage 02/09/2003, 7:48pm PST
Re: Lot of network talk over the past few days .. by Lufteufel 02/09/2003, 10:07pm PST
Quake 1: 250-350ms ping over modem. Those were the days n/t NT by <-Nordic-> 02/11/2003, 9:48pm PST
Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by mark 02/09/2003, 9:43pm PST
Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 9:59pm PST
oops, should have read this first re: carmack [nt] NT by Lufteufel 02/09/2003, 10:08pm PST
Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Mysterio 11/23/2013, 6:46am PST
Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by col.schickn 11/23/2013, 8:38am PST
This post should be stickied forever by This is what futurists actually bel 08/07/2017, 10:55am PDT
Long bets, and the futurists that love them NT by Voxels vs V-2s 08/07/2017, 3:00pm PDT
Rocket, stealing porn goggle tech, Futurism isn't an 'exact' science. NT by The Happiness Engine 08/08/2017, 6:26pm PDT
Yeah, exactly. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 8:57pm PST
A quick literature search by mark 02/09/2003, 1:26pm PST
Thank you - this was exactly my point by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 1:49pm PST
Re: That's better than being unable to read by Fat Autistic Fuck 06/11/2022, 12:27pm PDT
Re: I'm not much of a programmer by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 5:46am PST
Yeah, me too!! by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 6:19am PST
Re: I'm not much of a programmer by fanclub 02/10/2003, 4:36pm PST
You're right by Senor Barborito 02/10/2003, 4:45pm PST
But I thought you wanted to weed out the imperfect... -nt- NT by Entropy Stew 02/11/2003, 1:28am PST
This whole thing. Bump. NT by Mysterio 11/22/2013, 4:57pm PST
I was going to snicker at the prediction of Doom 3 revolutionizing the industry by Lemoney Snick 11/22/2013, 7:55pm PST
Look, the technology was ready, but he was afraid he'd open a portal to hell by blackwater 11/22/2013, 10:20pm PST
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