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Holy crap, it just occurred to me. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 2:31pm PST
You REALLY don't know anything about this shit, do you? Up until now, I'd assumed you understood at least on some level what we were talking about, but it finally dawned on me that when I say, "multi-pass texturing," it doesn't mean much to you. I apologize, from now on I'll try to be more explicit.

Multi-pass textures
The idea that every pixel (the dots that comprise raster graphics) being drawn to the screen in a given frame could have several "passes" (each "pass" is sort of like a "layer" of color, if you will) to incorporate such attributes as base color, reflections, environment maps, bump maps (I can go into more detail on this, but basically it's a method of adding a certain amount of apparent geometric detail through the use of a texture map rather than the addition of actual geometry in the artwork), transparency, and of course lighting HAS certainly been talked about in the games industry for years. So, yes, you're quite right - the concept has been out there, coming as most things in game graphics do from the non-real-time world of pre-rendered 3D (ie. movies like "Lord of the Rings," to quote the most obvious current example).

However, the "implementation," as you put it, of such technology always seemed far-off, partially because the current slate of hardware would be hard-pressed to maintain a decent framerate when dealing with more than one pass, and partially because, well, it's just really fucking difficult to do. Imagine you getting a job. It's THAT hard. You can say that Carmack merely "implemented" such technology, but the fact is no one else was able to do it before he did.

Client-side Entities

Things like blood-splats and smoke trails may seem like icing on the cake, but these are the things gamers look to when they rave about "realistic graphics." And remember, graphics is what Carmack is best known for. By moving these entities to the client side (ie. they occur on each player's machine individually; they're not tracked by the server and then synchronized on all the players' machines), Carmack has allowed developers to add all sorts of graphics enhancements without worrying that missiles and smoke trails and graffiti and blood splats and even enemy players would be jumping all over the place as the server tried desperately to keep everything aligned. That. Is. A. Fucking. Innovation.


As I've already shown, I can go on and on. But the whole argument is ridiculous - you claim you're not a fan, and I am left in the unenviable position of trying to make the case that you should be one. It's quite difficult.

But being the supergenius that I am, I will go one step beyond that and prove (using SB PATENT PENDING ARGUMENT LOGIX) that not only should you be a fan, but YOU ALREADY IS ONE:

1. Someone on this board asked what 3D card you recommended (Szenji?)
2. You recommended some nVidia solution or other (I believe it was GeForce4, but it hardly matters at this point), because you're a fan of the hardware
3. The nVidia chipset has the functionality it does because Carmack has developed applications that call for it, and the hardware manufacturers are following his lead.
4. ERGO, THEREFORE, IN CONCLUSION, THE SUM TOTAL IS: You are a fan of Carmack's.

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Carmack's 'rocket' by Senor Barborito 02/05/2003, 5:41am PST NEW
    Re: Carmack's 'rocket' by Mischief Maker 02/05/2003, 11:58am PST NEW
    Sheesh by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 12:01am PST NEW
        Re: Sheesh by Cyrris 02/09/2003, 1:26am PST NEW
            That's telling me by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 2:11am PST NEW
        Well by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 6:06am PST NEW
    I don't get it! by Fussbett 02/09/2003, 1:11am PST NEW
        He's jealous. Duh. -nt- NT by Entropy Stew 02/09/2003, 3:22am PST NEW
        I'm not much of a programmer by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 4:58am PST NEW
            You're not much of anything by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 5:32am PST NEW
                Re: You're not much of anything by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 5:47am PST NEW
                    Re: You're not much of anything by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 6:29am PST NEW
                That's better than being unable to read by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 5:49am PST NEW
                    Also question for the moron by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 5:56am PST NEW
                        Oh, stop with the pretending you know math, already. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 6:32am PST NEW
                    "You can't read." Brilliant. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 6:28am PST NEW
                        Better than anything you've posted to the site, at least by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 12:43pm PST NEW
                            Holy crap, it just occurred to me. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 2:31pm PST NEW
                                PS: by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 2:49pm PST NEW
                                    Hahahaha by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 3:18pm PST NEW
                                Thank you for proving my point. by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 3:17pm PST NEW
                                Tsk tsk, and you were almost making sense up until that point by Entropy Stew 02/09/2003, 4:55pm PST NEW
                                    You're both right and wrong. by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 5:45pm PST NEW
                                        Carmack: History's rocketeer or programmer? by Fussbett 02/09/2003, 6:08pm PST NEW
                                            Presumably by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 6:18pm PST NEW
                                        Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 6:16pm PST NEW
                                            Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 7:10pm PST NEW
                                            Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 7:13pm PST NEW
                                                Hell by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 8:51pm PST NEW
                                                    Also by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 8:58pm PST NEW
                                                        Hold up by mark 02/09/2003, 9:19pm PST NEW
                                                    Re: Hell by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 11:48pm PST NEW
                                                        Re: Hell by Senor Barborito 02/10/2003, 12:07am PST NEW
                                                            Re: Hell by Zebco Fuckface 02/11/2003, 7:08am PST NEW
                                            Lot of network talk over the past few days .. by bastage 02/09/2003, 7:48pm PST NEW
                                                Re: Lot of network talk over the past few days .. by Lufteufel 02/09/2003, 10:07pm PST NEW
                                                    Quake 1: 250-350ms ping over modem. Those were the days n/t NT by <-Nordic-> 02/11/2003, 9:48pm PST NEW
                                            Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by mark 02/09/2003, 9:43pm PST NEW
                                                Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 9:59pm PST NEW
                                                oops, should have read this first re: carmack [nt] NT by Lufteufel 02/09/2003, 10:08pm PST NEW
                                            Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Mysterio 11/23/2013, 6:46am PST NEW
                                                Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by col.schickn 11/23/2013, 8:38am PST NEW
                                        This post should be stickied forever by This is what futurists actually bel 08/07/2017, 10:55am PDT NEW
                                            Long bets, and the futurists that love them NT by Voxels vs V-2s 08/07/2017, 3:00pm PDT NEW
                                            Rocket, stealing porn goggle tech, Futurism isn't an 'exact' science. NT by The Happiness Engine 08/08/2017, 6:26pm PDT NEW
                                    Yeah, exactly. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 8:57pm PST NEW
                        A quick literature search by mark 02/09/2003, 1:26pm PST NEW
                            Thank you - this was exactly my point by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 1:49pm PST NEW
                    Re: That's better than being unable to read by Fat Autistic Fuck 06/11/2022, 12:27pm PDT NEW
            Re: I'm not much of a programmer by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 5:46am PST NEW
                Yeah, me too!! by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 6:19am PST NEW
            Re: I'm not much of a programmer by fanclub 02/10/2003, 4:36pm PST NEW
                You're right by Senor Barborito 02/10/2003, 4:45pm PST NEW
                    But I thought you wanted to weed out the imperfect... -nt- NT by Entropy Stew 02/11/2003, 1:28am PST NEW
    This whole thing. Bump. NT by Mysterio 11/22/2013, 4:57pm PST NEW
        I was going to snicker at the prediction of Doom 3 revolutionizing the industry by Lemoney Snick 11/22/2013, 7:55pm PST NEW
            Look, the technology was ready, but he was afraid he'd open a portal to hell by blackwater 11/22/2013, 10:20pm PST NEW
 
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