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by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/07/2008, 2:38am PDT |
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It is my belief that The Addams Family and Twilight Zone are the two most important pinball games ever made. I found out from the DVD Tilt: The Battle to Save Pinball, that because of the enormous success of the Addams Family, Pat Lawlor was basically allowed to do whatever the hell he wanted for Twilight Zone. And we all benefit, to this day, for it. Pinball is presently in a holding pattern where two misfired licenses will probably kill new games off for years, but to even get to this point it required The Addams Family moving 20,270 units.
The only time I have ever come close to getting a replay on a game has been the Addams Family. It really is amazing. A pinball idiot like myself can jump on and feel like stuff is being accomplished, while at the same time it is my understanding that the flow is fun for better players. And I wish I had been more aware of pinball when it came out, as that goddamn disembodied hand doing shit was amazing the first time I encountered it myself, a couple years ago.
That being said, nobody will ever make another game like Twilight Zone. It's not even the Citizen Kane of pinball, because while that movie has become a cliche for "best movie ever," no pinball designer has tried to surpass Twilight Zone. I don't get to play it often, but when I do go to play pinball, it's the one I spend the most time on.
The magnetic flippers is absolutely mind-blowing as a concept. The fact that Lawlor then goes and adds a ceramic ball to the game, so it is impervious to the unique addition to pinball the TZ has, is just amazing. He invented something new for his game, then immediately starts thinking of how to counter it. The spinning clock in the game works, and is necessary, the panel layout with all the doors is something a lot of pinball games need to tell you what modes are active or accomplished, and it just aesthetically looks right on TZ in a way I don't think it does in many other games. At one point the game starts spouting lines from Lawlor's previous games, which is the awesome kind of arrogance you like to see from a game designer (in other words, the exact opposite of Molyneuxing it).
They also got the Golden Earring song involved.
If it were just a video game, it would be in the discussion with Mario 64, Doom, FF3 and Pac-Man and so forth. And then, on top of all of this, it would take someone like me, a casual player, years to even begin to master it. It's the only game I have ever done research on before and after playing. I haven't written stuff down on paper before playing, because I'd like to get laid again in my lifetime, but it's the only pinball game that would make you want to do that. I can't say enough about it. There's usually some asshole on it when I go to the pinball place to play it, so I have to do the creepy hover with rape eyes thing. I'm okay doing that. I'm okay being that guy for Twilight Zone.
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In this thread, I will make statements that no one should disagree with NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/05/2008, 11:29am PDT 
Dinosaur Comics is by far the best web comic of all-time, no other ones are clos NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/05/2008, 11:30am PDT 
I almost agree ... but Achewood :( NT by Bunyip 08/05/2008, 6:01pm PDT 
The last 18 months have made Bunyip look pretty dumb for saying this. NT by a fairy princess 02/26/2010, 6:23pm PST 
I have had reason to wish it was further down the thread. NT by Bunyip 02/28/2010, 3:35pm PST 
Kasabian has the best haircuts in rock NT by WITTGENSTEIN 11/05/2011, 10:15am PDT 
Warlords is the greatest Atari 2600 game ever, NOT River Raid, as sometimes said NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/05/2008, 11:31am PDT 
I agree with this statement. NT by Hans Clastorp 08/05/2008, 11:38am PDT 
A competitive eating game will work on only two platforms: Wii and Arcade NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/05/2008, 11:31am PDT 
No one wants to code for shitty piss 3 anyway. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/05/2008, 6:14pm PDT 
The Kotaku review video for this will be amazing. NT by motherfuckerfoodeater 08/18/2008, 1:19pm PDT 
Had the Toronto Blue Jays been an NL team, they would have won the WS in 2007 NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/05/2008, 11:32am PDT 
It was not impossible to make Caltrops loginless. It was impossible to do it oth NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/05/2008, 11:34am PDT 
Actually you could have logins but still post ano - SHIT by Entropy Stew, R.S.S. 08/05/2008, 3:37pm PDT 
Well, yeah, and Rapture could have technically been built in Africa, BUT STILL. NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/05/2008, 5:25pm PDT 
The Twilight Zone is the greatest pinball game ever made NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/05/2008, 11:37am PDT 
No, Cyclo WHOOPS by I need clarification 08/05/2008, 12:35pm PDT 
It's better than The Addams Family? by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 08/05/2008, 12:49pm PDT 
Yes. NT by Fussbett 08/05/2008, 1:25pm PDT 
Re: Yes. by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/07/2008, 2:38am PDT 
Geez get a room by bombMexico 08/17/2008, 1:01pm PDT 
We're living in a world where it is less embarrassing to be Jubilee than "the NT by ball"? REALLY? Ice Cream Jonsey 08/17/2008, 1:25pm PDT 
Socially, pinball's up there with lawn darts is all i'm saying. by bombMexico 08/17/2008, 1:51pm PDT 
You can judge me. *You* may judge me. by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/17/2008, 2:43pm PDT 
not having permission to judge was the only thing holding me back by bombMexico 08/17/2008, 6:09pm PDT 
Re: not having permission to judge was the only thing holding me back by Sadakichi Hartmann 08/17/2008, 9:46pm PDT 
Robot Hooker: The game NT by mark 08/17/2008, 10:31pm PDT 
Bride of Pinbot by Mischief Maker 08/31/2008, 9:42am PDT 
Re: Geez get a room by Mischief Maker 08/18/2008, 10:34am PDT 
We should have tags for embedding webcomics directly into the subject line. NT by Jerry Whorebach 08/18/2008, 10:51am PDT 
Apple would have won if the first Mac was backwards compatible with the //e NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/05/2008, 10:00pm PDT 
The health constantly decreasing in Gauntlet killed off arcades, not home consol NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/05/2008, 10:03pm PDT 
The PC version of Lode Runner was the best because it did NOT use a joystick NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/05/2008, 10:05pm PDT 
Destructivator is fucking awesome and anyone who disagrees is a whiny shit by Mischief Maker 08/07/2008, 6:07pm PDT 
Last one: Debaser by the Pixies is the greatest side one track one of all-time NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/08/2008, 1:51pm PDT 
You had a good posting run here. It couldn't have lasted forever. NT by Smells Like Teen Spirit 08/08/2008, 2:57pm PDT 
Hm that song wasn't really that good. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/08/2008, 3:09pm PDT 
It was an excellent song! Especially the parts that sound just like "U-Mass" NT by Jerry Whorebach 08/08/2008, 4:31pm PDT 
Was it better than Debaser? Yes. NT by Smells Like Teen Spirit 08/17/2008, 9:30pm PDT 
I don't listen to SOFT ASS SHIT. 8( NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/17/2008, 11:31pm PDT 
Can Debaser have its guitar and drum parts back when SLTS is done w/ them? NT by Even Cobain Admits Rip-off 08/18/2008, 11:35am PDT 
This guy seems like a sort of one-topic new poster NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/18/2008, 1:15pm PDT 
I like this argument. Is the end game that rock and roll is just the blues, rea NT by Fussbett 08/28/2008, 1:05am PDT 
In the end, didn't Chuck Barry get the idea from Marty McFly? by Mischief Maker 08/28/2008, 9:19am PDT 
Re: You had a good posting run here. It couldn't have lasted forever. by Mischief Maker 08/18/2008, 11:40am PDT 
Tying it all together by Zsenitan 08/18/2008, 12:43pm PDT 
Although this is the best album of all time, "Tired of Sex" is the best S1T1. by Fullofkittens 08/28/2008, 12:07am PDT 
You're right NT by Vested Id 08/28/2008, 2:03am PDT 
The Pianist is a better holocaust movie than Schindler's List by Jerry Whorebach 08/27/2008, 11:53pm PDT 
SSX Tricky is still the best SSX game. NT by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 06/16/2009, 11:52am PDT 
Strike that, best snowboarding game period. NT by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 06/16/2009, 11:54am PDT 
I liked SSX3 slightly more NT by Fortinbras 06/16/2009, 1:11pm PDT 
Def Jam Fight for New York is the best Def Jam game. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 06/16/2009, 1:11pm PDT 
Having to login to Steam and WGL to play DoW2 will be viewed dumber than IRQ NT by shit was in the DOS days - ICJ 08/04/2009, 9:53pm PDT 
The Jerry Orbach/Jesse L. Martin periods were the best seasons of Law and Order NT by Fortinbras 08/09/2009, 4:11pm PDT 
Any seasons without Adam Schiff should be immediately disqualified. by Jerry Whorebach 08/09/2009, 5:57pm PDT 
You didn't even like the episode where ADA Borgia gets found dead in a trunk? NT by Fortinbras 08/09/2009, 10:38pm PDT 
Ratcheting screwdrivers are awesome. by motherfuckerfoodeater 08/12/2009, 11:06pm PDT 
This will be my first cybernetic implant by Cyberstew 02/19/2013, 4:34pm PST 
Every game Brian Reynolds touches is awesome NT by Fortinbras 09/27/2009, 9:37pm PDT 
The Super Mario Bros. in Super Mario All-Stars isn't as good as the original. NT by Jerry Whorebach 01/07/2010, 5:43pm PST 
Super Mario All-Stars Wii: still broken. Reviewers: still don't know or care. by Jerry Whorebach 12/18/2010, 2:25pm PST 
Simon Parkin sounds like a bit of a gay ass motherfucker. Eurogamer indeed. NT by Eurotrash 12/18/2010, 2:54pm PST 
Irfanview has the worst icon in the history of computing. NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 01/28/2010, 10:27pm PST 
Re: Irfanview has the worst icon in the history of computing. by Jerry Whorebach 01/28/2010, 10:56pm PST 
yes, and aaahahha. solution: change it. NT by up with pod people 01/28/2010, 11:46pm PST 
Was anyone looking for a solution? NT by It's just like a man to look for so 01/29/2010, 3:31am PST 
Re: yes, and aaahahha. solution: change it. by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/03/2010, 10:49am PST 
Re: yes, and aaahahha. solution: change it. by motherfuckerfoodeater 02/04/2010, 5:38pm PST 
I can't disagree with this NT by Entropy Stew 01/29/2010, 12:09am PST 
Unless you use VS for everything dev work in Windows is complete misery NT by motherfuckerfoodeater 02/03/2010, 9:36am PST 
I'm using Visual SlickEdit so I guess I can't disagree by Entropy Stew 02/03/2010, 10:26am PST 
YouTube is now more MTV than MTV is. NT by Noi Dau Don 02/03/2010, 4:15pm PST 
What lifestyle is YouTube selling by Vested Id 02/04/2010, 12:34am PST 
The IF Panel is going to be the only PAX East Panel that I enjoy. NT by Worm 02/04/2010, 7:29am PST 
Ice Cream Jonesy's PAX East NT by Fullofkittens 02/04/2010, 7:35am PST 
NDX East (Necrotic Drift Expo) NT by Get Limp 02/04/2010, 8:00am PST 
The fact that playing a game on Steam pauses downloads is bullshit. NT by motherfuckerfoodeater 02/26/2010, 3:35pm PST 
it doesn't pause the downloads they still run in the background what are you stu by irony 02/26/2010, 5:59pm PST 
Re: it doesn't pause the downloads they still run in the background what are you by motherfuckerfoodeater 02/27/2010, 12:10am PST 
Because I really want some TF2 hat downloads to fuck up my ping NT by Entropy Stew 02/28/2010, 6:40pm PST 
Re: The fact that playing a game on Steam pauses downloads is bullshit. by jeep 11/28/2011, 3:58pm PST 
The term "Role-Playing Game" is vague and confusing, we should call them NT by Fantasy Adventure Games 10/13/2010, 7:43am PDT 
Every band with more than a handful of singles should have a singles compilation by Jerry Whorebach 10/16/2010, 7:45pm PDT 
Waitaminnit, Once doesn't have any B-sides! Which compo was I thinking of? NT by Jerry Whorebach 10/16/2010, 7:47pm PDT 
Twice Upon A Time? NT by McMoo 12/02/2011, 6:52am PST 
This goes double for The Smiths, The Cure, and Depeche Mode by Fullofkittens 10/16/2010, 8:05pm PDT 
You should be careful what you say to me about music... by Jerry Whorebach 10/16/2010, 8:45pm PDT 
Pet Shop Boys by Noi Dau Don 10/18/2010, 3:24am PDT 
Jsoh sings Rent to Jhoh every night before bedtime NT by discuss. 10/18/2010, 10:38pm PDT 
Crowd: PLAY WHIP IT! Mark Mothersbaugh: No. NT by Entropy Stew 10/18/2010, 8:36am PDT 
they will look up and shout, "Save us!" And I'll whisper, "no." NT by Rorschach 10/18/2010, 10:58am PDT 
That's the joke. NT by Wolfgang McRanier 11/30/2011, 8:36pm PST 
Re: This goes double for The Smiths, The Cure, and Depeche Mode by ndd 12/01/2011, 4:36pm PST 
Hmm by Fullofkittens 12/01/2011, 8:57pm PST 
In the World Series, the Designated Hitter rule should take precedence NT by Fortinbras 10/28/2010, 6:47pm PDT 
Hellraiser 2 is by far the best Hellraiser movie NT by fullofkittens 06/14/2011, 3:21pm PDT 
Well great, you broke the thread. by Mischief Maker 06/14/2011, 3:33pm PDT 
What's wrong with camp? by FoK 06/14/2011, 4:30pm PDT 
Kaitlin Olson is the finest female situation comedy actor ever. NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 10/26/2011, 7:42pm PDT 
In order to stay thin after Halloween by Souffle of Pain 10/31/2011, 9:30pm PDT 
Re: In order to stay thin after Halloween by Vested Id 10/31/2011, 10:35pm PDT 
Throwing away perfectly good doughnuts? That's it, this thread is over. NT by I'm shutting it down. 10/31/2011, 10:55pm PDT 
People who say "bro" ironically are worse than people who use it genuinely NT by Commandment 12 11/05/2011, 12:04pm PDT 
Slapshot is terrible whenever the Hansons aren't on screen. NT by Jessica Alba 11/28/2011, 9:26am PST 
Jessica Alba sucks pussy NT by Vested Id 11/28/2011, 2:42pm PST 
The questions in Ebert's Movie Answer Man column are mostly all written by him NT by Vested Id 12/27/2011, 3:20pm PST 
16:9 is a stupid aspect ratio. NT by Jerry Whorebach 03/12/2012, 2:50pm PDT 
grok is a stupid word that no one should use NT by Rafiki 07/02/2012, 2:47pm PDT 
Power Rangers: Jungle Fury is by far the best iteration of Power Rangers. NT by Fullofkittens 02/19/2013, 3:43pm PST 
I think I subliminally put 'by far' in my own head looking at the thread. NT by But it's true. 02/19/2013, 3:47pm PST 
Five black rangers? NT by that's racist 02/19/2013, 5:10pm PST 
HTML/CSS are abysmal for layout. HTML should have been deprecated 23 years ago by Rafiki 03/04/2013, 10:18am PST 
Examples? I thought the main issue was cross-browser compliance (IE) by Entropy Stew 03/04/2013, 10:45am PST 
Everything. All things. by Rafiki 03/04/2013, 12:02pm PST 
Re: Everything. All things. by Entropy Stew 03/04/2013, 3:28pm PST 
Re: Everything. All things. by Rafiki 03/05/2013, 7:52am PST 
Haha, I didn't try this on IE9. Worked perfectly in Chrome and Firefox by Entropy Stew 03/05/2013, 11:54am PST 
Aaaand IE 10 has the moving-under problem like you said. Fuck CSS by Entropy Stew 03/05/2013, 12:22pm PST 
Re: Aaaand IE 10 has the moving-under problem like you said. Fuck CSS by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/05/2013, 7:07pm PST 
They will never make a better Tetris than Tetris DX. by Jerry Whorebach 04/12/2013, 9:36pm PDT 
Does that one let you "save" pieces for later? NT by MM 04/13/2013, 11:32pm PDT 
Ha ha, NO. But it does add a battery, so you can "save" your high scores! NT by Jerry Whorebach 04/14/2013, 1:29am PDT 
The blue shell in Mario Kart should be an option you can turn off. NT by Fullofkittens 04/13/2013, 8:40am PDT 
Mario Kart is a game that places fun ahead of pure competition by fabio 04/13/2013, 3:45pm PDT 
It's a good thing this thread isn't a democracy... by Jerry Whorebach 04/13/2013, 5:02pm PDT 
It's still on when you're playing single player... still more fun? by Fullofkittens 04/13/2013, 7:07pm PDT 
Re: It's still on when you're playing single player... still more fun? by fabio 04/13/2013, 9:09pm PDT 
Plenty of Fish is Okcupid for fat people NT by no chubbies 04/26/2013, 11:20pm PDT 
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