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Re: Yes. by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/07/2008, 2:38am PDT
It is my belief that The Addams Family and Twilight Zone are the two most important pinball games ever made. I found out from the DVD Tilt: The Battle to Save Pinball, that because of the enormous success of the Addams Family, Pat Lawlor was basically allowed to do whatever the hell he wanted for Twilight Zone. And we all benefit, to this day, for it. Pinball is presently in a holding pattern where two misfired licenses will probably kill new games off for years, but to even get to this point it required The Addams Family moving 20,270 units.

The only time I have ever come close to getting a replay on a game has been the Addams Family. It really is amazing. A pinball idiot like myself can jump on and feel like stuff is being accomplished, while at the same time it is my understanding that the flow is fun for better players. And I wish I had been more aware of pinball when it came out, as that goddamn disembodied hand doing shit was amazing the first time I encountered it myself, a couple years ago.

That being said, nobody will ever make another game like Twilight Zone. It's not even the Citizen Kane of pinball, because while that movie has become a cliche for "best movie ever," no pinball designer has tried to surpass Twilight Zone. I don't get to play it often, but when I do go to play pinball, it's the one I spend the most time on.

The magnetic flippers is absolutely mind-blowing as a concept. The fact that Lawlor then goes and adds a ceramic ball to the game, so it is impervious to the unique addition to pinball the TZ has, is just amazing. He invented something new for his game, then immediately starts thinking of how to counter it. The spinning clock in the game works, and is necessary, the panel layout with all the doors is something a lot of pinball games need to tell you what modes are active or accomplished, and it just aesthetically looks right on TZ in a way I don't think it does in many other games. At one point the game starts spouting lines from Lawlor's previous games, which is the awesome kind of arrogance you like to see from a game designer (in other words, the exact opposite of Molyneuxing it).

They also got the Golden Earring song involved.

If it were just a video game, it would be in the discussion with Mario 64, Doom, FF3 and Pac-Man and so forth. And then, on top of all of this, it would take someone like me, a casual player, years to even begin to master it. It's the only game I have ever done research on before and after playing. I haven't written stuff down on paper before playing, because I'd like to get laid again in my lifetime, but it's the only pinball game that would make you want to do that. I can't say enough about it. There's usually some asshole on it when I go to the pinball place to play it, so I have to do the creepy hover with rape eyes thing. I'm okay doing that. I'm okay being that guy for Twilight Zone.


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        I almost agree ... but Achewood :( NT by Bunyip 08/05/2008, 6:01pm PDT NEW
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        I agree with this statement. NT by Hans Clastorp 08/05/2008, 11:38am PDT NEW
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        No one wants to code for shitty piss 3 anyway. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/05/2008, 6:14pm PDT NEW
        The Kotaku review video for this will be amazing. NT by motherfuckerfoodeater 08/18/2008, 1:19pm PDT NEW
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            Well, yeah, and Rapture could have technically been built in Africa, BUT STILL. NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/05/2008, 5:25pm PDT NEW
    The Twilight Zone is the greatest pinball game ever made NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/05/2008, 11:37am PDT NEW
        No, Cyclo WHOOPS by I need clarification 08/05/2008, 12:35pm PDT NEW
        It's better than The Addams Family? by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 08/05/2008, 12:49pm PDT NEW
            Yes. NT by Fussbett 08/05/2008, 1:25pm PDT NEW
                Re: Yes. by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/07/2008, 2:38am PDT NEW
                    Geez get a room by bombMexico 08/17/2008, 1:01pm PDT NEW
                        We're living in a world where it is less embarrassing to be Jubilee than "the NT by ball"? REALLY? Ice Cream Jonsey 08/17/2008, 1:25pm PDT NEW
                            Socially, pinball's up there with lawn darts is all i'm saying. by bombMexico 08/17/2008, 1:51pm PDT NEW
                                You can judge me. *You* may judge me. by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/17/2008, 2:43pm PDT NEW
                                    not having permission to judge was the only thing holding me back by bombMexico 08/17/2008, 6:09pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: not having permission to judge was the only thing holding me back by Sadakichi Hartmann 08/17/2008, 9:46pm PDT NEW
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        You had a good posting run here. It couldn't have lasted forever. NT by Smells Like Teen Spirit 08/08/2008, 2:57pm PDT NEW
            Hm that song wasn't really that good. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/08/2008, 3:09pm PDT NEW
                It was an excellent song! Especially the parts that sound just like "U-Mass" NT by Jerry Whorebach 08/08/2008, 4:31pm PDT NEW
                Was it better than Debaser? Yes. NT by Smells Like Teen Spirit 08/17/2008, 9:30pm PDT NEW
                    I don't listen to SOFT ASS SHIT. 8( NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/17/2008, 11:31pm PDT NEW
                    Can Debaser have its guitar and drum parts back when SLTS is done w/ them? NT by Even Cobain Admits Rip-off 08/18/2008, 11:35am PDT NEW
                        This guy seems like a sort of one-topic new poster NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/18/2008, 1:15pm PDT NEW
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            Re: You had a good posting run here. It couldn't have lasted forever. by Mischief Maker 08/18/2008, 11:40am PDT NEW
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