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by Fussbett 01/14/2005, 9:29pm PST |
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Senor Barborito wrote:
Here is the main difference, I think, between the Life Aquatic you saw and the one I saw: you saw a funny, visually inspired, and surreal movie. I saw a moral wasteland revisiting the hipster failure to detach from one's parents and become an actual adult (instead of just older.)
I couldn't agree LESS with the moral wasteland stance. I think you were prepared to hate on the morality based on the hipsterness, which I understand. If I could change things in Life Aquatic I'd start with the Zissou model Adidas shoes. That's pure hipster fan service, and besides, it would've been better if they were some shitty brand. Or 80's deck shoes.
You see the Ned/Steve relationship as a failure to detach from one's parents? That's way harsh, when clearly Ned is a fully formed adult at the point of him seeking out his father -- and only does so when his mother dies. A son seeking to meet his birth father is a common occurance from my limited understanding.
You know that dry dry dry super dryly sarcastic guy that Life Aquatic is supposed to be that you're feeling, yo? I hate that guy's nihilism and cheap veneer of worldliness. I hate the way he does shit without any reason, because he thinks doing purposeless, incongruous shit is funny, instead of sad and hollow.
I'm trying to think up different ways to say I disagree. I need clear examples of purposeless and incongruous shit in Life Aquatic. One of my items of praise for the movie that the surreal universe in which the movie is set provides a very real backdrop for the character to embark upon a very straightforward quest. A quest! I love that they have a quest, with bumps in the road and detours, and tragedies, and finally an ending. Are you citing things like the balloon ride? Leeches? I actually can't even guess where the beef is.
Nihilism? I couldn't think of a worse word to decribe a POSITIVE movie like Zissou. I'm more equipped to deal with someone saying that Life Aquatic is too light and cheery for them and that they see through the wacky veil and detest the life-affirming positive Disney message that lies beneath (like so much Amber Valletta). To them I'd say "I hear you, but I found that really refreshing". To the charge of nihilism, I can only say "Kumquat, cherub tho stance", because I'm confused.
Surrealism can reflect a warped world, or speak more clearly about difficult subjects using what are at first nonsensical props, but some surrealism - like the surrealism of Life Aquatic - seems to think that, noh-like, meaning will emerge from the nonsensical props themselves.
Non sono d'accordo. Never is Life Aquatic nonsensically surreal. Everything happens for a reason, and there is logic to every action. There are rules that the movie world follows, and it never betrays the audience with an "or whatever" moment, beyond the rules that have been established prior.
Life Aquatic's oceanographers aren't a metaphor for anything. They're just oceanographers, pursuing nonsensical oceanographer business, reflecting no absurdity, symbolic of nothing whatsoever.
Ok, this complaint I can get with, that you'd like an extra layer of meaning behind some of the story choices. Meanwhile I love a movie about a job, even if it's an outlandish job, because jobs contribute much to shaping a person's identity. Ebert once pointed out, back when he wasn't such a killjoy, that a sloppy writing technique is to make a character be an architect or ad executive or in finance. That way, they have enough money and can take time off work to have a movie happen to them. You may see them occasionally walk out of a tower with a briefcase, or blueprint tube, and that's enough to flesh out the character. Mr. Brady was an architect, for example. Anyway, that's just a tangent. |
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GALLAGHER ATTACKS by Fussbett 01/12/2005, 8:59pm PST 
Gallagher apologetics. by Senor Barborito 01/12/2005, 9:12pm PST 
Yes, if only we could see the real wit and political satire in Gallagher shows. NT by Creexul :( 01/12/2005, 9:23pm PST 
Re: Gallagher apologetics. by Choson 01/12/2005, 9:32pm PST 
Gallagher begat Carrot Top. by And this I do not forgive. 01/12/2005, 9:49pm PST 
Re: Gallagher apologetics. by Ray of Light 01/12/2005, 10:04pm PST 
No, dude, I'm calling bullshit on this. by Senor Barborito 01/13/2005, 8:04am PST 
Re: No, dude, I'm calling bullshit on this. by Debate Fan 01/13/2005, 8:40am PST 
Re: No, dude, I'm calling bullshit on this. by Ray of Light 01/13/2005, 12:06pm PST 
Except I did see Life Aquatic Tuesday night. by Senor Barborito 01/13/2005, 4:59pm PST 
You're INSANE NT by INSANE 01/13/2005, 6:01pm PST 
You should write a count-review. I'll argue for days. NT by Fussbett 01/13/2005, 6:17pm PST 
Counter-review. NT by Fussbett 01/13/2005, 6:17pm PST 
Re: Counter-review. by Senor Barborito 01/14/2005, 4:06am PST 
Notice that I deleted all refs to other movies. by Fussbett 01/14/2005, 9:29pm PST 
Compelling. by Ray of Light 01/13/2005, 6:55pm PST 
Napoleon Dynamite: movie of the year. NT by Creexul :( 01/13/2005, 6:56pm PST 
Re: Compelling. by Choson 01/13/2005, 8:46pm PST 
That's exactly what many people would think. by Ray of Light 01/13/2005, 11:23pm PST 
Re: That's exactly what many people would think. by Senor Barborito 01/14/2005, 3:38am PST 
content, spoilers by Ray of Light 01/14/2005, 11:30am PST 
This thread is exposing my own rock-bottom self-esteem by Zseni 01/14/2005, 11:47am PST 
Broken record and all, but Zseni still hasn't seen The Office. NT by Mysterio 01/14/2005, 6:12pm PST 
Re: That's exactly what many people would think. by Choson 01/14/2005, 7:30am PST 
Aren't you the one afraid of sex? NT by OPINION INVALIDATED 01/14/2005, 7:39am PST 
To me, the definition of scary is posting under a regular nick. NT by Senor Barborito 01/14/2005, 7:42am PST 
WHICH IS WHY YOU POST UNDER A CAJILLION? NT by ROFL-Meister 01/14/2005, 8:22am PST 
You mean your opinion? NT by Choson 01/14/2005, 8:38am PST 
*After school* Nu-uh! You! by Bill Dungsrom 01/14/2005, 5:36pm PST 
Most appropriate nick ever? NT by Mysterio 01/14/2005, 8:41am PST 
Re: That's exactly what many people would think. by Ray of Light 01/14/2005, 11:39am PST 
The Life Aquatic is no Bottle Rocket! by Fussbett 01/14/2005, 5:23pm PST 
Re: The Life Aquatic is no Bottle Rocket! by Choson 01/14/2005, 5:50pm PST 
So have you married The Royal Tenenbaums yet? (why don't you?) by Fussbett 01/14/2005, 8:56pm PST 
Zseni says your, OJECTIVELY, the coolest poster here! by Burble 01/15/2005, 4:50am PST 
Re: So have you married The Royal Tenenbaums yet? (why don't you?) by Oh SNAP guy 01/15/2005, 10:16am PST 
Re: So have you married The Royal Tenenbaums yet? (why don't you?) by Choson 01/15/2005, 10:17am PST 
O SNAP, GUY! NT by whydirt 01/15/2005, 10:26am PST 
Re: O SNAP, GUY! by Choson 01/15/2005, 10:42am PST 
Truely bizzarre footnote by laudablepuss 05/18/2005, 8:59pm PDT 
Gallagher has been perfectly judged. by Fussbett 01/12/2005, 10:55pm PST 
Re: GALLAGHER ATTACKS by Bill Dungsroman 01/13/2005, 11:34am PST 
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