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by The Cheap Zseni Machine 03/04/2005, 4:31pm PST |
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Horrible Gelatinous Blob wrote:
On the other hand, when I was a wee Blob and more slightly discomfiting than full on Horrible, I would play Transformers and GI Joe with my friends, and we would have epic wars with each other. Minor skirmishes would develop into larger battles before exploding into total warfare. Then we would team up and destroy some imaginary bad guy. We always won, and there fore we were always happy in the end.
The point I'm trying to make is that conflict is what made imaginary play interesting. Without conflict, you're pretty much just sitting around, masturbating to a mirror. My question is did these girls express conflict in this manner because they had learned that it was the only acceptable expression of conflict, or was it because they're only happy when they're miserable?
The point I had been trying to make is that I have never fully understood why conflict is necessary to make things interesting, whether that conflict is of the Lifetime or the Robotech variety. I do enjoy both kinds of melodrama, but - especially when I'm playing games of any sort that allow me to choose these sorts of things - I would much rather everyone started happy and stayed happy.
SimCity was a panic for me; I'd cheat, get lots of money, build a beautiful city, disallow natural disasters, and brutally overpower anything that even vaguely threatened the peace (which I didn't enjoy doing, but it had to be done so everyone would be happy!) The Sims - lovely big houses, lavishly decorated, containing happy happy people!!!! The only conflict that interested me there was optimizing furniture placement. Master Of Magic - I'd build enormous civilizations that spanned the continent and would hope that nobody else in the game felt like fighting. I didn't want to fight, I just wanted to build happy fertile cities! In RPGs like Morrowind or Neverwinter Nights or whatever, I can't even roleplay hurting people. I HAVE to play lawful good, not because I adore laws, but because everyone is happier if I play by the rules! Happy happy happy for everyone! You guys just sit there and be happy and I'll get rid of the big bad threat and then we can all be happy together! Morrowind actually lets you do this, you can eventually kill all the bad stuff EVER and just cheerfully roam the hills to collect herbs or visit temples or whatever. Huzzah! In Doom and Quake, I didn't like to play the nasty monster-ridden levels!!! I'd set up lan or online play and turn off monsters and play - you're going to love this - hide and seek with people. Post-Quake, I couldn't interest a single person in this sort of thing.
Happy, peaceful, trouble-free imaginary play doesn't seem the least bit dull to me. Nothing about it resembles mirror-aided masturbation, except the part where I have to do it alone because it appears to disgust everyone else. Happy, peaceful, trouble-free fiction doesn't bother me at all either; this is probably why of all the poetry and prose I've ever read, I enjoy most the traditional haiku, which, in their discoveries of the trivial beauties and everyday surprises of the natural world, beautifully, elegantly, and briefly written, are to me the best possible use of words.
I really don't think there's anything less gay about ricer racing or space opera conflict than Lifetime conflict; I think most guys' approximations of space combat are generally more interesting than most women's approximations of bad relationships, but that's purely a subjective judgment that has no basis whatsoever in the actual quality of either group. They're still both contrived, both fantastical, both equally susceptible to bad writing, and both of interest primarily to their own authors. Comic books and romance novels are the same level of ridiculous and unrealistic swill, and I think the fields of fantasy and sci-fi fiction form a tidy continuum between the two, and there are volumes in all those fields that are enjoyable and quite a lot of shit that is interesting to hobbyists and fans only. And, of course, some of the most popular and enduring works of all time are half romance novel and half comic book: Star Wars, Star Trek, Gauntlet....
By the way, here is a term you primadonnas should have learned a long time ago. |
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Question for the LADIES of caltrops by FABIO 03/01/2005, 11:13pm PST 
Your writing class was built on an INDIAN BURIAL GROUND! NT by conflictNo 03/01/2005, 11:34pm PST
I know the answer but I'm not telling by Ray of Light 03/02/2005, 1:34am PST
0 of 2 people found the following review helpful by Amazon 03/02/2005, 3:33pm PST
Re: 0 of 2 people found the following review helpful by Construction Worker 03/02/2005, 5:25pm PST
MEN are stupid; REAL MEN are not. NT by Dr. Phil 03/02/2005, 6:16am PST
Sampling Error by Bill Dungsroman 03/02/2005, 3:21pm PST
english and psychology are the top 2 female majors so I guess they're ALL fruity NT by FABIO 03/02/2005, 5:46pm PST
I think I might have just answered my own question there NT by FABIO 03/02/2005, 10:32pm PST
Mostly, but I'd have to say that about people in general. by Bill Dungsroman 03/02/2005, 10:32pm PST
the men by FABIO 03/02/2005, 11:16pm PST
the men: en espanol! by bombMexico 03/03/2005, 12:36am PST
my class was pretty much all white, yes by FABIO 03/03/2005, 12:47am PST
Re: my class was pretty much all white, yes by bombMexico 03/03/2005, 1:11am PST
My creative writing class made us write poetry. ABOUT SPORTS. by Fullofkittens 03/03/2005, 7:41am PST
Re: My creative writing class made us write poetry. ABOUT SPORTS. by Casual observer 03/03/2005, 1:34pm PST
Re: My creative writing class made us write poetry. ABOUT SPORTS. by Bill Dungsroman 03/04/2005, 4:21pm PST
I'VE GOT A STORY by Fussbett 03/05/2005, 9:51pm PST
Re: I'VE GOT A STORY by Entropy Stew 03/07/2005, 2:12pm PST
Re: Mostly, but I'd have to say that about people in general. by laudablepuss 03/03/2005, 12:50am PST
What about sociology? NT by Lizard_King 03/04/2005, 11:57am PST
We're dealing with majors that (non-athletic) people actually finish. NT by Bill Dungsroman 03/04/2005, 4:23pm PST
Here's the problem. by laudablepuss 03/02/2005, 6:17pm PST
Re: Here's the problem. by FABIO 03/02/2005, 10:31pm PST
Gayness posted one minute apart :( NT by Bill Dungsroman 03/02/2005, 10:33pm PST
Just to clarify by laudablepuss 03/03/2005, 12:38am PST
Re: Here's the problem. by E. L. Koba 03/03/2005, 3:04am PST
OH SNAP NT by OH SNAP Guy 03/03/2005, 5:35am PST
English classes and writing. by The Cheap Zseni Machine 03/03/2005, 11:18am PST
What does INC have that I don't have?! NT by mrs. johnson 03/03/2005, 12:03pm PST
A spine, hooked nose and circumsized penis. NT by Just a guy. 03/03/2005, 12:13pm PST
Talent, experience, effort and style, to name a few things. by Bill Dungsroman 03/04/2005, 4:31pm PST
Re: Talent, experience, effort and style, to name a few things. by Fussbett 03/05/2005, 10:01pm PST
Re: English classes and writing. by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/03/2005, 12:19pm PST
Re: English classes and writing. by The Cheap Zseni Machine 03/04/2005, 4:43pm PST
Re: Here's the problem. by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/03/2005, 11:12am PST
I'm taking a writing class as we speak. by William H. Hayt, Jr. 03/02/2005, 11:42pm PST
Fine, I'll chime in. by bink 03/03/2005, 5:07am PST
Your teacher, as if you didn't know, is a fuckhead. NT by Casual observer 03/03/2005, 1:55pm PST
Yeah fuck that guy! by laudablepuss 03/03/2005, 3:35pm PST
No, he was actually fairly cool. by bink 03/03/2005, 5:18pm PST
Re: Question for the LADIES of caltrops by The Cheap Zseni Machine 03/04/2005, 3:46am PST
Re: Question for the LADIES of caltrops by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 03/04/2005, 11:42am PST
Re: Question for the LADIES of caltrops by Ray of Light 03/04/2005, 12:16pm PST
Re: Question for the LADIES of caltrops by Creexul :( 03/04/2005, 1:48pm PST
Re: Question for the LADIES of caltrops by The Cheap Zseni Machine 03/04/2005, 4:31pm PST
Re: Question for the LADIES of caltrops by Bill Dungsroman 03/04/2005, 5:04pm PST
Re: Question for the LADIES of caltrops by Ray of Light 03/05/2005, 10:42pm PST
Re: Question for the LADIES of caltrops by Casual observer 03/06/2005, 2:03am PST
Arer we disagreeing? I can't see where. by Ray of Light 03/06/2005, 4:18am PST
Re: Arer we disagreeing? I can't see where. by Casual observer 03/06/2005, 2:20pm PST
Re: Question for the LADIES of caltrops by The Cheap Zseni Machine 03/06/2005, 12:38pm PST
This is a FAG forum, BITCH by friend of motheruckerfordoearter 03/06/2005, 6:18pm PST
Objection! Subject goes to heart of why we play. NT by SUSTAINED 03/06/2005, 7:45pm PST
Re: Question for the LADIES of caltrops by The Closing Credits of Your Life 03/06/2005, 6:43pm PST
Oh, yeah. My original Sampling Error post had a second point. by Bill Dungsroman 03/04/2005, 5:00pm PST
Re: Oh, yeah. My original Sampling Error post had a second point. by The Cheap Zseni Machine 03/04/2005, 6:10pm PST
More memories. by Fussbett 03/05/2005, 9:58pm PST
Re: More memories. by The Cheap Zseni Machine 03/06/2005, 12:42pm PST
y'all NT by :( 03/06/2005, 1:16pm PST
Re: More memories. by Casual observer 03/06/2005, 2:38pm PST
Loot = Lute. WoW much? Nah. NT by Casual observer 03/06/2005, 2:39pm PST
Re: More memories. by The Cheap Zseni Machine 03/06/2005, 10:24pm PST
Re: More memories. by Casual observer 03/06/2005, 10:36pm PST
Re: More memories. by The Cheap Zseni Machine 03/06/2005, 10:57pm PST
Disappointing. NT by Casual observer 03/06/2005, 11:31pm PST
You get what you give. NT by Helpful Mysterio Man 03/07/2005, 9:48am PST
Since when? NT by Bill Dungsroman 03/10/2005, 12:31pm PST
Re: More memories. by bink 03/07/2005, 3:14am PST
Re: More memories. by Quentin Beck 03/07/2005, 7:43am PST
I stand corrected. by bink 03/07/2005, 7:45am PST
What's this! by E. L. Koba 03/07/2005, 11:25am PST
I felt sorry for that dude. by bink 03/07/2005, 5:32pm PST
Re: What's this! by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/10/2005, 8:20pm PST
Math question for Zseni by Tony 03/08/2005, 12:40am PST
Statistics 95 makes you brain bleed. by Drummer from Whitesnake 03/14/2005, 2:45pm PST
Re: Oh, yeah. My original Sampling Error post had a second point. by Fullofkittens 03/06/2005, 2:52pm PST
Re: Oh, yeah. My original Sampling Error post had a second point. by Bill Dungsroman 03/10/2005, 12:30pm PST
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