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I'm sad for you by Mischief Maker 10/01/2011, 12:44am PDT
ndd wrote:

Since you seem to have difficulty seeing through my evasive style of communication, I'll spell this one out: I stopped siding with the strict materialists a while ago; aside from the whole "dead to wonder" thing, they are dicks and sometimes unconscionably shallow.



Last Christmas I bought this CD for my niece and was telling some people excitedly about it, singing this song as an example. Their response was a wistful look and comments about how I was taking wonder out of the poor girl's life. I was stunned. On one hand, you have a model of our solar system as a process in motion, a great coalescence of matter into an enormous fusion reaction producing heavy elements, surrounding matter coalescing together into planets whose relative size and distance from this star create radically different worlds, devouring smaller matter that passes through their orbit. Though mostly clear, there is still debris from the blazing birth of our solar system wandering into the orbit of our world, caught up in the gravity, then streaking in a flaming bolt across our sky in a dazzling display of the wonders of our material world.

On the other hand, you have the "wondrous" explanation where you lie to a kid and say, "every once in a while one of those stars hanging up in the sky comes loose from its moorings and *thbbbt!* falls down."

While I agree that your friends are shallow dicks, I can't believe that you would prefer the rather bland and pedestrian myths of "spirituality" to the kaleidoscopic wonders of the material world. What Fairy's glen is more awe-inspiring than a stellar nursery? What haunted house is more mysterious and terrifying than the ocean abyss? How dull is the numerology of Kabbalah next to the code of the DNA molecule, where the letters form more than just words, but the very structural skeleton of the molecule itself? How boring is past-life regression hypnosis compared to hubble telescope images where you are literally looking millions of years back in time? Demonic possession? Big Whoop when you consider that every single cell in your body has an invasive aerobic bacterium whose symbiosis with our own cells is so strong that bits of our DNA are shared between both our genomes. The ice queen bringing winter storms with a wave of her magic wand is not nearly as fascinating as the ice nucleating bacteria that grow surface structures mimicking the shape of ice molecules to hasten the crystallization of freezing temperature water. What's so neat about fire-breathing dragons compared to life in oceanic thermal vents that have created an ecosystem completely cut off from the energy of the sun? You see dead people? Materialists can listen to the very echoes of the birth of the known universe itself!

Even your own body is a thing of wonder! Harnessing fire has been a part of our species for so long that our brains and bodies are built around it, our digestive tract ideal for ingesting foods cooked with fire, our minds fascinated by the sight of flames that would scare off more sensible animals. Want a more descriptive name for our species than Humans? We are Fire Apes!

The public impression of scientists as being cold and emotionless is completely undeserved. Just as Georgia O'Keefe painted hundreds of pictures of a door, driven by passion to examine this mundane object from every conceivable angle, so too is a scientist examining hundreds of corn plants for color abnormalities driven by a passion to understand the process of lateral gene transfer. It is this very passion that science attempts to check through its passionless double-blind methods. Though some individual scientists may affect a cold logical persona for the sake of appearances, this same scientist analyzing specrographic data in raw number form from stellar phenomena is driven by the same passion that made those musicians consider the sound of a viol to be akin to the whining of a trapped soul.

It is this acknowledge of human passion and the humility to set mechanisms in place to prevent that passion from overriding the actual data that is to me the key difference that separates Science from religion and philosophy. Albert Einstein himself, the quintessential face of 20th century genius, the man who threw down the very nature of time, famously battled against the newly emerging field of quantum mechanics with the quote, "God does not play dice," because he just... didn't... feel that it was right, seeing how the random chance quantum mechanics brought to the nature of reality did not jibe with his classical deterministic philosophy. Here was a man whose authority and influence among scientists was a thousand times that of the world's foremost Unitarian minister... and his word had to be disregarded, no matter how passionately believed, because it didn't fit the data.

Cam you blame me for finding it awful that you would perpetuate a mythology that blinds people to the wonders of the natural world, or that I would find it infuriating that you made pronouncements about the nature of the universe based just on your philosophies and gut reactions? Don't let a couple of dicks trying to pretend to jaded and high status chase you from the awesome splendor of the material world into the mundane world of goblins and unicorns.
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guys I think I might have figured out what I want to do for grad school. by ndd 09/24/2011, 10:59pm PDT NEW
    Who posted all these Granny and Yaoi Porn pictures all over the church?!! NT by Mischief Maker 09/24/2011, 11:16pm PDT NEW
        you're just jealous by ndd 09/24/2011, 11:19pm PDT NEW
            ARE YOU READY FOR THIS POWERRRRR by Gutsby 09/25/2011, 12:11am PDT NEW
                Re: ARE YOU READY FOR THIS POWERRRRR by ndd 09/25/2011, 12:27am PDT NEW
                    Oh by the way read Day of the Oprichnik by Vladimir Sorokin. NT by Gutsby 09/25/2011, 7:12am PDT NEW
                        i'll look for it, but also from the reviews, etc. etc. "russia's drift towards by ndd 09/26/2011, 1:16am PDT NEW
                            Don't worry, that's a tiny part of it and exactly the most obvious thing to say. NT by Gutsby 09/26/2011, 4:48am PDT NEW
                    Delicious. I need that in mp3 form NT by Entropy Stew 09/25/2011, 5:34pm PDT NEW
                        you'll have to strip it off the video :( the album was released on vinyl and it NT by refuses to show up online -ndd 09/26/2011, 1:09am PDT NEW
            Re: you're just jealous by Mischief Maker 09/25/2011, 2:12am PDT NEW
                bitch are you for real by ndd 09/25/2011, 2:57am PDT NEW
                    Re: bitch are you for real by Mischief Maker 09/25/2011, 2:16pm PDT NEW
                        Re: bitch are you for real by ndd 09/25/2011, 3:07pm PDT NEW
                            Everything is dumb, so just do nothing. NT by Worm 09/25/2011, 4:17pm PDT NEW
                                Nihilism will only get you so far NT by Entropy Stew 09/25/2011, 5:50pm PDT NEW
                                    It certainly won't get you a million dollars, Dude (at least Nazism is an ethos) NT by Walter Sobchek 09/26/2011, 8:04pm PDT NEW
                                        If you want to make a million dollars, you should start your own religion. NT by L.Ron Hubbard 09/26/2011, 8:15pm PDT NEW
                            Re: bitch are you for real by Mischief Maker 09/25/2011, 5:15pm PDT NEW
                                Re: bitch are you for real by ndd 09/25/2011, 5:47pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: bitch are you for real by Mischief Maker 09/25/2011, 9:53pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: bitch are you for real by ndd 09/25/2011, 11:59pm PDT NEW
                                            I suggest flashpowder and a secret trapdoor for whenever you get questioned. by Mischief Maker 09/26/2011, 8:45am PDT NEW
                                                this by Fullofkittens 09/26/2011, 9:40am PDT NEW
                                                    Thanks for that enlightening post, Reverend Strawman NT by Mysterio 09/30/2011, 7:40pm PDT NEW
                                                        Who's the patron saint of weak sarcasm? NT by Mischief Maker 09/30/2011, 7:57pm PDT NEW
                                                        It's a conversation I've had with many IRL religious friends by Fullofkittens 10/01/2011, 5:33am PDT NEW
                                                            Sure you did. I give up. Fuck this forum. NT by Mysterio 10/01/2011, 6:30am PDT NEW
                                                but you've spent the whole time by ndd 09/26/2011, 10:26am PDT NEW
                                                    Wait a second, what religious idea ISN'T made up shit? NT by Worm 09/26/2011, 11:14am PDT NEW
                                                    Zseni is correct. MM is putting words in her mouth. NT by Caltrops Referee 09/26/2011, 12:15pm PDT NEW
                                                        don't stop him! it's hilariously revealing. by up with pod people 09/26/2011, 12:18pm PDT NEW
                                                        Her silence equals assent. NT by Mischief Maker 09/26/2011, 3:51pm PDT NEW
                                                            I hate to stop you when you're just getting warmed up with your "rape 'n reason" by ndd 09/26/2011, 8:41pm PDT NEW
                                                                *settles down* by Mischief Maker 09/26/2011, 9:05pm PDT NEW
                                                                    Re: *settles down* by ndd 09/26/2011, 10:37pm PDT NEW
                                                                        Re: *settles down* by Mischief Maker 09/27/2011, 6:28pm PDT NEW
                                                                            Re: *settles down* by ndd 09/27/2011, 7:01pm PDT NEW
                                                                                Re: *settles down* by Mischief Maker 09/27/2011, 9:07pm PDT NEW
                                                                                    Re: *settles down* by ndd 09/27/2011, 9:15pm PDT NEW
                                                                                        *dies of boredom* NT by Mischief Maker 09/27/2011, 11:17pm PDT NEW
                                                    Then what ARE your ideas? NT by Mischief Maker 09/26/2011, 3:46pm PDT NEW
                                                Religious practice is an ancient and profound matter of ordering the world. by Gutsby 09/26/2011, 6:23pm PDT NEW
                                                    Galileo and the Inquisition coexisted so comfortably! NT by Mischief Maker 09/26/2011, 7:09pm PDT NEW
                                                        Rebels challenging the social order killed? By a designated authoritarian force? by Gutsby 09/26/2011, 7:23pm PDT NEW
                                                        Man, where else but Caltrops could I go to listen to a white guy with a silver by spoon in his ass talk shit about re 09/26/2011, 8:15pm PDT NEW
                                                            Don't like it? Go watch the Presidential debates. NT by Mischief Maker 09/27/2011, 10:16pm PDT NEW
                                                    Re: Religious practice is an ancient and profound matter of ordering the world. by laudablepuss 09/27/2011, 3:08pm PDT NEW
                                                        Re: Religious practice is an ancient and profound matter of ordering the world. by laudablepuss 09/27/2011, 3:17pm PDT NEW
                                                            Shto eto takoi? by Gutsby 09/27/2011, 5:03pm PDT NEW
                                                                Religion is not an indispensible part of a balanced life by laudablepuss 09/27/2011, 10:05pm PDT NEW
                                                                    You should be dead. Just think about that in between your spergings NT by Mysterio 09/29/2011, 8:03am PDT NEW
                                                                        Wow I never thought of it that way! by laudablepuss 09/29/2011, 8:23am PDT NEW
                                                                            hahaha i feel bad for loling NT by ndd 09/29/2011, 12:03pm PDT NEW
                                                                            Conclusion: science saved your life by Entropy Stew 09/30/2011, 1:37pm PDT NEW
                                                                    Re: Religion is not an indispensible part of a balanced life by Gutsby 09/30/2011, 7:30am PDT NEW
                                                                    Re: Religion is not an indispensible part of a balanced life by duh 09/30/2011, 10:29am PDT NEW
                                    Re: bitch are you for real by I need clarification 09/25/2011, 10:16pm PDT NEW
                            "Growing it" is one of the worst abuses of language perpetrated by business dink by motherfuckerfoodeater 09/25/2011, 5:17pm PDT NEW
                    Re: bitch are you for real by laudablepuss 09/25/2011, 11:10pm PDT NEW
                        Re: bitch are you for real by ndd 09/26/2011, 12:17am PDT NEW
                now that the other thread is done and you lost by up with pod people 09/30/2011, 10:15am PDT NEW
                    Re: now that the other thread is done and you lost by Mischief Maker 09/30/2011, 7:55pm PDT NEW
    Re: guys I think I might have figured out what I want to do for grad school. by Mysterio 09/25/2011, 12:25am PDT NEW
        Keep us informed of your progress. I'm a stock broker. by This is Chris's Blood 09/25/2011, 1:39am PDT NEW
            how do you piss off a trader? introduce him to chicks as a "stock broker" by august and everything after 09/26/2011, 8:27pm PDT NEW
        I thought you were all sys admins. by Fullofkittens 09/25/2011, 3:34pm PDT NEW
            I said he played American football :/ by Mysterio 09/25/2011, 4:01pm PDT NEW
    THAT SOUNDS FAB by Ray of Light 09/25/2011, 7:47pm PDT NEW
    Unitarianism is a sad religion for people caught in the bear trap of 20/21st cen by Vested Id 09/26/2011, 1:34am PDT NEW
        Re: Unitarianism is a sad religion for people caught in the bear trap of 20/21st by ndd 09/26/2011, 2:45am PDT NEW
            unitarians are just episcopalians who jerk off to alvin toffler NT by august and everything after 09/26/2011, 8:34pm PDT NEW
                a hand job is still a job, august NT by ndd 09/26/2011, 9:01pm PDT NEW
                    unitarians are like vassar girls though. won't even take the glove off. NT by august and everything after 09/26/2011, 9:04pm PDT NEW
                        ew there are girls who take the glove off?! NT by ndd 09/26/2011, 9:08pm PDT NEW
                            really trashy ones. like the ones who didn't even go to boarding school. by august and everything after 09/26/2011, 10:42pm PDT NEW
                                THERE ARE DUDES WHO WILL FINGERBANG ME WHILE I WATCH LEVERAGE?! NT by ndd 09/26/2011, 10:51pm PDT NEW
                                    extra vigorously when the black hacker with the buff arms is onscreen by august and everything after 09/27/2011, 2:49am PDT NEW
                                    I'm in school to become a Catholic deacon. I think you should go for it. by Just Another Mysterious Stranger 09/27/2011, 4:55pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: I'm in school to become a Catholic deacon. I think you should go for it. by Mischief Maker 09/27/2011, 5:03pm PDT NEW
                                            Zing! Now if only there were some funny YouTubes making fun of lawyers, I NT by Oh, wait. 09/28/2011, 6:27am PDT NEW
    go to yale divinity by august and everything after 09/26/2011, 8:28pm PDT NEW
    Re: guys I think I might have figured out what I want to do for grad school. by Hans Clastorp 09/27/2011, 7:02pm PDT NEW
        Re: guys I think I might have figured out what I want to do for grad school. by Mysterio 09/28/2011, 4:03pm PDT NEW
            Re: guys I think I might have figured out what I want to do for grad school. by Mysterio 09/28/2011, 11:30pm PDT NEW
                nice how you skipped the description of a priest's actual job and how shitty it NT by Mysterio 09/30/2011, 7:09pm PDT NEW
                    You're right, my research can stop with that anecdote. Off to fashion school ta. NT by ndd 09/30/2011, 8:08pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Off to fashion school ta. by Mischief Maker 09/30/2011, 8:15pm PDT NEW
                            Re: Off to fashion school ta. by ndd 09/30/2011, 10:32pm PDT NEW
                                I'm sad for you by Mischief Maker 10/01/2011, 12:44am PDT NEW
                                    Your myopia is astonishing. by Gutsby 10/01/2011, 2:19am PDT NEW
                                        A lot of time in church is spent talking about dragon fights. by fucking nobody 10/01/2011, 6:39am PDT NEW
                                        The theme was "wonder," captain angry pants. NT by Mischief Maker 10/01/2011, 8:17am PDT NEW
                                    How can you be sorry for someone you haven't listened to yet?! by ndd 10/01/2011, 9:43am PDT NEW
                                        Perhaps a parable would work better here. by Mischief Maker 10/02/2011, 2:32pm PDT NEW
                                            This was an insulting and unwarranted pile of condescension. by ndd 10/02/2011, 3:51pm PDT NEW
                                                Emperor Liang Wu Di responded pretty much the same way. by Mischief Bodhisattva 10/02/2011, 4:16pm PDT NEW
                                                    Re: Emperor Liang Wu Di responded pretty much the same way. by ndd 10/02/2011, 9:19pm PDT NEW
                                            Student asks master for profound answer. Master says literally anything. NT by SO PROFOUND. 0______0 10/03/2011, 6:33am PDT NEW
                                                The purpose of a Koan is not to be profound. by Mischief Bodhisattva 10/03/2011, 9:43am PDT NEW
                                                    Framing anything in the context of Zen is the best way to lose an argument NT by Entropy Stew 10/03/2011, 11:18am PDT NEW
                                                        I'm the best!!! by Mischief Bodhisattva 10/03/2011, 11:27am PDT NEW
                                                            you're a Cable who doesn't know he's a Cable by Mysterio 10/03/2011, 1:15pm PDT NEW
                                                                I'm sorry I offended you, Anonyfag. by Mischief Shai-hulud 10/03/2011, 2:04pm PDT NEW
                                                                    Re: I'm sorry I offended you, Anonyfag. by Louis C.K. 10/03/2011, 2:34pm PDT NEW
                                                                        Try Andy Kaufman. NT by Mischief Maker 10/04/2011, 11:22pm PDT NEW
                                                                            You're already Andy Kaufman in this thread, what with the wrestling women NT by Entropy Stew 10/04/2011, 11:47pm PDT NEW
                                                                            It's true, I found my audience solely by behaving smugly in deep obscurity by Andy Kaufman 10/05/2011, 4:35am PDT NEW
                                                        particularly when you're vehemently arguing against religion. by up with pod people 10/03/2011, 1:07pm PDT NEW
                                                            NAH. NT by Mischief Shai-hulud 10/03/2011, 1:59pm PDT NEW
                                                            Particularly when you're vehemently arguing, period by Entropy Stew 10/04/2011, 2:25pm PDT NEW
                                                                Ya think? by Mischief Maker 10/04/2011, 8:36pm PDT NEW
                                                        This has been a known problem for 1500 years by Mysterio 10/03/2011, 1:13pm PDT NEW
                                                            *Devilhorns* NT by Mischief Bodhisattva 10/03/2011, 1:59pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: I'm sad for you by N 10/01/2011, 1:03pm PDT NEW
                                        Decrying romance... only to reembrace it in the very next paragraph by Mysterio 10/01/2011, 4:20pm PDT NEW
                                            Ha ha, sneering at science because it's too mainstream, like Disneyland. by Jerry Whorebach 10/01/2011, 5:15pm PDT NEW
                                                Science is cool. They are not. by Mysterio 10/01/2011, 6:03pm PDT NEW
        Re: guys I think I might have figured out what I want to do for grad school. by ndd 09/28/2011, 11:38pm PDT NEW
            Re: guys I think I might have figured out what I want to do for grad school. by Just Another Mysterious Stranger 09/29/2011, 6:44pm PDT NEW
                I've told jokes about owning my own Voltron! NT by YESSSSSSSS! 09/29/2011, 7:05pm PDT NEW
                Re: guys I think I might have figured out what I want to do for grad school. by ndd 09/29/2011, 10:34pm PDT NEW
    True story: my mom used to be the pastor of a church like that. by Fullofkittens 09/29/2011, 7:50pm PDT NEW
        Re: True story: my mom used to be the pastor of a church like that. by ndd 09/29/2011, 10:15pm PDT NEW
    this is soooo stupid by Mysterio 09/29/2011, 7:51pm PDT NEW
        Re: this is soooo stupid by ndd 09/29/2011, 10:00pm PDT NEW
            i want to be a petty tyrant but managing an applebee's would be gauche wat do??? NT by Mysterio 09/30/2011, 2:09pm PDT NEW
                Re: i want to be a petty tyrant but by ndd 09/30/2011, 4:39pm PDT NEW
                what you're too good for appleby's? NT by august and everything after 10/01/2011, 5:20pm PDT NEW
    By the way, Ron Rosenbaum is an idiot. by laudablepuss 10/03/2011, 8:40pm PDT NEW
        I've never heard of this person before but this was a good post by ndd 10/04/2011, 2:17pm PDT NEW
            Sounds good to me NT by laudablepuss 10/05/2011, 9:32am PDT NEW
 
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