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Re: I don't know that I would blame the armchair enthusiasts... by fabio 02/22/2012, 1:03pm PST
Mischief Professional wrote:

All that said, I think you're misinterpreting laudable, fabs. I think he finds WWI fascinating like a trainwreck and wishes to understand it in a preventative sense, he's not celebrating it. That, and it gives him a great excuse to take a fun-filled trip to France.


All I wanted was an explanation on how visiting anniversary memorials for battle sites is any different than historical atrocity massacres. At first I got the brush off that how it didn't EVEN need to be explained how large scale wars are historically fascinating while civilian atrocities are bad taste icky, which was the very phenomenon I was curious about. Then I get the "war is an inevitable and sometimes necessary human nature" bit which is cowardly complacent at best and still fails to explain how genocide somehow doesn't fall into the same category (I think we've found the military equivalent to the "murder vs rape" phenomenon from your law classes).

Preventative is the holocaust museum. The Gettysburg site and phrases like "the greatest generation" do little but set an air of reverence. If you wouldn't visit atrocity sites why would you visit battle sites? Something is fucked if one is treated as bad taste and the other like stepping into church.


Is it tangent time? I don't know many sociology professors, but this segues nicely into how I consider Apocalypse Now and Battle of Algiers the two most honest war movies ever made (throw in Jarhead too, but for different reasons) when it comes to modern first world attitudes towards war. Both feature a protagonist struggling with his country's refusal to recognize war for what it is, what it takes to "win", and what "winning" entails. Despite their willingness for absolute brutality, they're actually the least bloodthirsty characters because they understand what they're getting into, and continuously advise their military to let it go.

Apocalypse Now wraps back around to the discussion from the fact that the majority of people who enjoy it do so for exact opposite intended reason.

which in turns wraps back around to Jarhead!.


(those who enjoyed the Matrix sequels are free to ignore all movie references)
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Planning a summer vacation to France in 2014 by laudablepuss 02/20/2012, 7:16am PST NEW
    I'm going to Risa to read my book and go spelunking! NT by Jean Luc Picard 02/20/2012, 8:54am PST NEW
        I think "spelunking" is a euphemism on Risa. Be careful, buddy. NT by laudablepuss 02/20/2012, 9:25am PST NEW
    Re: Planning a summer vacation to France in 2014 by Mysterio Jones 02/20/2012, 10:44am PST NEW
    Are you planning a China trip for the 100th anniversy of Nanking rape? by fabio 02/21/2012, 12:08am PST NEW
        Haha ok by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 12:15am PST NEW
            Birthdays vs atrocity tourism. What's the difference? NT by Inside the mind of Laudable 02/21/2012, 12:49am PST NEW
                Did I log into the citizens against civil war reenactment forum? NT by Worm 02/21/2012, 1:06am PST NEW
                    Most civill war reenactors are racist gun nuts. They should be shunned. NT by fact 02/21/2012, 1:53am PST NEW
                        True. NT by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 2:20am PST NEW
                        Yeah but there's nothing inherently wrong with the reenactment. by Worm 02/21/2012, 10:50am PST NEW
                            Re: Yeah but there's nothing inherently wrong with the reenactment. by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 6:26pm PST NEW
                            Gettysburg! by fabio 02/22/2012, 5:19am PST NEW
                                Re: Gettysburg! by laudablepuss 02/22/2012, 6:28am PST NEW
                                A museum dares to have a gift shop, but North & South ... that's fucking art. by Worm 02/22/2012, 7:53am PST NEW
                                doesn't that pretty much describe the american revolution by Rafiki 02/22/2012, 11:54am PST NEW
                Re: Birthdays vs atrocity tourism. What's the difference? by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 1:14am PST NEW
                Re: Birthdays vs atrocity tourism. What's the difference? by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 2:19am PST NEW
                    Re: Birthdays vs atrocity tourism. What's the difference? by Mischief Professional 02/21/2012, 6:24pm PST NEW
                        Yeah that's a really disgusting thing only armchair enthusiasts would say by fabio 02/22/2012, 5:44am PST NEW
                            I don't know that I would blame the armchair enthusiasts... by Mischief Professional 02/22/2012, 12:09pm PST NEW
                                Re: I don't know that I would blame the armchair enthusiasts... by fabio 02/22/2012, 1:03pm PST NEW
                                    War implies consent by both parties involved. NT by Mischief Professional 02/22/2012, 1:35pm PST NEW
                                        I dunno about that. But if that was true of any war . . . by laudablepuss 02/22/2012, 4:55pm PST NEW
                                        I'm not sure Poland would agree by fabio 02/26/2012, 11:33am PST NEW
                                            ^not unlike NT by fabio 02/26/2012, 11:34am PST NEW
                                    Re: I don't know that I would blame the armchair enthusiasts... by laudablepuss 02/22/2012, 4:48pm PST NEW
                            Yes one sided slaughter is different from mutual slaughter. NT by Worm 02/22/2012, 12:30pm PST NEW
                                Sorry I didn't describe how: one is one sided the other isn't NT by Worm 02/22/2012, 12:31pm PST NEW
                Re: Birthdays vs atrocity tourism. What's the difference? NT by Laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 2:27am PST NEW
                Re: Birthdays vs atrocity tourism. What's the difference? NT by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 2:29am PST NEW
                Re: Birthdays vs atrocity tourism. What's the difference? NT by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 10:42am PST NEW
            Serious question by fabio 02/21/2012, 4:36pm PST NEW
                I still don't understand how those are analogous to World War 1. NT by Worm 02/21/2012, 5:25pm PST NEW
                    How is building a teeth necklace different from collecting severed limbs? NT by fabio 02/21/2012, 5:59pm PST NEW
                        Re: How is building a teeth necklace different from collecting severed limbs? by fabio 02/21/2012, 6:14pm PST NEW
                            A+ would converse with again NT by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 6:16pm PST NEW
                Re: Serious question by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 6:15pm PST NEW
                    How are they different? by fabio 02/21/2012, 6:23pm PST NEW
                        Re: How are they different? by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 6:31pm PST NEW
                            Where was this fabio when CoD came out? NT by Worm 02/21/2012, 11:46pm PST NEW
                            You're above the question. Nice. by fabio 02/22/2012, 5:37am PST NEW
                                Re: You're above the question. Nice. by laudablepuss 02/22/2012, 6:25am PST NEW
                        why be interested in anything rather than anything else? NT by albear camoo 02/21/2012, 6:31pm PST NEW
                The Hurt Locker dudes need to make a WWI movie NT by Roop 02/22/2012, 6:56am PST NEW
    Going to the German speaking parts of France for that extra WWI ironic goodness? NT by Mischief Professional 02/21/2012, 6:42pm PST NEW
        Re: Going to the German speaking parts of France for that extra WWI ironic goodn by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 7:11pm PST NEW
 
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