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So I reread Dune. by Arbit 06/05/2012, 6:31pm PDT
Or Dewwwwn, as it should be pronounced.


It's pretty entertaining, which is a lot more than I can say for most of the books from my childhood that I have gone back and reread. But since it's more fun to pick things apart, I'm going to do that.

- Characters are constantly whispering to themselves how smart/subtle/skilled/awesome the other characters are and how mad complex the plot is. Perhaps I'm just unable to separate the book from the author these days, but whenever characters start going on about the subtle genius of the plots and the feints within feints within feints I can't help but see this as Herbert penetrating the 4th wall with his penis and bludgeoning my face with it.

- "On Caladan it was air and sea power. On Dune, it is desert power." This line or a close permutation of it is repeated by Paul probably in excess of ten times throughout the book. It is noteworthy in its incredible obviousness, particularly so after someone just got done thinking OMFG this guy is sooooo smart!!!!

- "Presently". What is the purpose of this word.

- The shields vs projectile vs stabby does not make a lot of sense. First, I don't see how an unshielded knife fighter could possibly win against a shielded one. Shields deflect quick slashes and stabs, obviously, but its also implied that high impact weapons like artillery are useless against a shielded person, so you can't punch a shielded guy either. Spinning around rapidly and windmilling your arms should essentially make you invincible. So how are the Fremen kicking the shit out of shielded Sardaukar, let alone Harkonnen conscripts? Secondly, if shields aren't used in the deep desert because they attract sandworms, why doesn't everyone revert back to guns? At one point Thufir Hawat (the Atreides Mentat Assassin if you don't remember) gets owned instantly by a "slow pellet stunner" - you would think everyone would be carrying one of those after that point, or a least a Glock or something? This probably sounds like sci-fi nerdrage on the level of "but you can't hear any soooound in space" but really, I'm trying to envision these fights in my head and basically it's ending up looking like one side is sitting stock still while the other slowly pushes a knife into their faces.

- I can buy the Bene Gesserit powers being the product of superhuman focus and breeding, but achieving the crazy heights of supersoldierdom exhibited in the book simply through extra hardcore training is a little hard to swallow. It smacks of DBZ power level horseshit, where Sardaukar have trained really hard and have achieved a power level of 3,000 and so can kill 30 normal soldiers, but Fremen have trained extra hard so they get 9,000 and kick the shit out of everyone with near-impunity. I think I'm venturing too far into the realm of the over analyzing sci-fi nerd here, so I'll stop.

I'm getting into the next book, which I've never read but it looks pretty good. Dune establishes Paul as a nearly flawless, nigh-invincible character and this book seems to be devoted to figuring out a way to take him down.
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So I reread Dune. by Arbit 06/05/2012, 6:31pm PDT NEW
    Don't continue. Stop right there. Trust me. NT by Mischief Maker 06/05/2012, 7:11pm PDT NEW
    The second and third books are alright. Stop reading after that. by Entropy Stew 06/05/2012, 7:13pm PDT NEW
        I can buy that evolutionary pressure has made a people more badass by Arbit 06/06/2012, 4:08pm PDT NEW
            Well, the Sardaukar were the only opposition the Fremen actually complimented by Entropy Stew 06/08/2012, 3:48am PDT NEW
                I remember reading when Jessica cut the Shadout Mapes she only bled for a second by WITTGENSTEIN 02/16/2013, 1:05pm PST NEW
        beefswelling NT by An adult 06/07/2012, 6:23pm PDT NEW
    It's not perfect by fabio 06/05/2012, 8:02pm PDT NEW
        I don't think the complicated explaining away of firearms was an allegory. by motherfuckerfoodeater 06/06/2012, 10:28pm PDT NEW
    I could never stand the writing. by skip 06/05/2012, 8:07pm PDT NEW
    The universe's internal logic re: Holtzmann is contrived but at least consistent by WITTGENSTEIN 02/16/2013, 1:12pm PST NEW
        Not just any hostage, a Bene Gesserit bride with superhuman sexual prowess. NT by MM 02/16/2013, 10:28pm PST NEW
            Also, DeVries fucked up. by MM 02/16/2013, 11:02pm PST NEW
                That's like a Rube Goldberg revenge scheme though. by WITTGENSTEIN 02/17/2013, 10:26am PST NEW
                    Leto already knew the attack was coming, complete with Sardukar, he explained it by Paul 02/17/2013, 10:58am PST NEW
                        They expected a raiding force, etc. But this is a faggot argument for nerds. NT by WITTGENSTEIN 02/17/2013, 11:04am PST NEW
                            Look, here's Dune by Mischief Maker 02/17/2013, 11:45pm PST NEW
                                Sounds like he lifted the race consciousness thing from Last and First Men by Vested Id 02/18/2013, 12:26am PST NEW
                                Re: Look, here's Dune by fabio 02/18/2013, 12:41am PST NEW
                                    Re: Look, here's Dune by Mischief Maker 02/18/2013, 7:36am PST NEW
                                        I just wished they had developed the Thurfir and Feyd plots to completion by fabio 02/18/2013, 7:54am PST NEW
                                            Agreed. NT by Mischief Maker 02/18/2013, 7:56am PST NEW
                                                Whoops. by Mischief Maker 02/18/2013, 7:57am PST NEW
                                            Just be glad Alexandro Jodorowsky never got his 14 hout adaptation made. by Mischief Maker 06/14/2013, 9:48am PDT NEW
                                                hour NT by Mischief Maker 06/14/2013, 9:48am PDT NEW
            I forgot about that, BUT.... by WITTGENSTEIN 02/17/2013, 10:27am PST NEW
                "His wife was bene gesserit, the signs are all over him." NT by Jessica 02/17/2013, 10:56am PST NEW
                    "I really love choking on cock and spending inordinate amounts of cash on a J.D" NT by MischiefMaker 02/17/2013, 11:05am PST NEW
        Re: The universe's internal logic re: Holtzmann is contrived but at least by fabio 02/17/2013, 5:09pm PST NEW
            What further retaliation could there have been? He didn't care at that point. by WITTGENSTEIN 02/17/2013, 5:57pm PST NEW
 
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