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Roop wrote:
It's really the union's fault.
Unions are always going to support the Democrats. So Democrats don't really give a shit, they're always going to support us anyway, screw 'em. Republicans see them as the enemy, screw 'em. The way our system works now, you don't pick a side, you play both.
most democracies developed a party of capital and a party of labor because the interests of the two are so often at odds. historically in the us the gop was the party of high-labor-cost capital and the democrats by default would then get the support of labor in opposition to them. however due to the sheer amount of money here and the low value of an individual's vote ($10? $20?) there's really two business parties: high-labor-cost capital GOP (manufacturing) and low-labor-cost capital GDP (finance, pharma, tech). high-labor-cost capital hates the minimum wage and taxes. low-labor-cost capital hates taxes but doesn't give a shit about minimum wage. so the unions are picking lesser-of-evils and it puts them in bed with pharma and investment banks. (this is from Thomas Ferguson's Golden Rule)
there's a weird dissonance between union strategy and rank and file here, though: once all their extra benefits are gone the union membership leans to support the GOP. It's kind of a weirdly american thing, mostly people here vote the same as their company's ceo, and it's probably due to centuries of benefitting from the employer's exploitation of other groups of labor (slaves, indentures, overseas sweatshops)
it's all kind of winding down now, though. things are gonna get really shitty here over the next 50 years.
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Keep us informed of Tuesday's vote, MM. Or we'll all think less of you. by Imperial Walker 06/03/2012, 7:23pm PDT 
20 to 1 spending disparity VS. Wisconsin dead last for job growth NT by WHICH WILL WIN??? 06/03/2012, 8:22pm PDT
The pridefully spiteful tea baggers NT by pshaw 06/03/2012, 9:30pm PDT
Rallies on the Capitol that dwarfed anti-draft rallies in the 60s? I don't know by Mischief Maker 06/04/2012, 6:35am PDT
Looks like you underestimated us. You lose. NT by shitheel teabaggers 06/05/2012, 8:05pm PDT
The jeep of eletion predictions by TRUTH SIREN! 06/11/2012, 1:49pm PDT
Jesus, I'm getting Pro-Walker banner ads on Daily Kos. NT by Mischief Wisconsinite 06/04/2012, 2:07pm PDT
CNN reported the last Rep. presidential candidate to take WI: Reagan by Tansin A. Darcos (TDARCOS) 06/04/2012, 5:16pm PDT
Thanks a pantload, Obama. by Mischief Maker 06/05/2012, 11:15am PDT
President Reagan died on June 5, 2004. Let's win one for the Gi NT by @ ScottKWalker 06/05/2012, 2:54pm PDT
He signs his tweets!? An old school BBS'er perhaps! NT by Worm 06/05/2012, 4:54pm PDT
His most charming feature. NT by Shredder 06/05/2012, 5:59pm PDT
I like Barack Obama, on the whole by Fullofkittens 06/05/2012, 5:05pm PDT
sure by jeep 06/05/2012, 5:10pm PDT
I think it's a question of Obama the Man vs. Obama the Administration. by Mischief Maker 06/05/2012, 5:51pm PDT
Re: I like Barack Obama, on the whole by This is Chris's Blood 06/05/2012, 5:57pm PDT
He stood up for federal agencies cracking down on Occupy NT by disturbing "protect" girl trend 06/05/2012, 6:32pm PDT
Madison is on target for 119% voter turnout by Mischief Maker 06/05/2012, 4:26pm PDT
Shots heard throughout the courthouse NT by discuss. 06/05/2012, 4:46pm PDT
Republicans busing in piles of money from out of state NT by disturbing "protect" girl trend 06/05/2012, 6:38pm PDT
Well this whole democracy experiment was fun while it lasted. by Mischief Maker 06/05/2012, 8:08pm PDT
Also: Get ready for "President Walker," faggots! NT by Mischief Maker 06/05/2012, 8:15pm PDT
At what point do you stop blaming Democrats and start blaming people? They want NT by to be ruled by Walmart, & no unions 06/06/2012, 10:05am PDT
It's more... by fabio 06/06/2012, 12:16pm PDT
unions by fabio 06/06/2012, 12:28pm PDT
memes and media by Mischief Maker 06/06/2012, 2:54pm PDT
So like I said, it's people that are the problem, not poor Dem strategy. by People also don't want Air America. 06/06/2012, 8:16pm PDT
Why can't it be both? NT by TRUTH SIREN! 06/06/2012, 9:24pm PDT
Because if one is true, change is easy. If the other is true, it's time to NT by give up. 06/06/2012, 11:06pm PDT
the vast majority get the democracy they deserve. by Oom Shnibble 06/07/2012, 3:11am PDT
Re: the vast majority get the democracy they deserve. by Roop 06/08/2012, 1:55am PDT
it really isn't by jeep 06/08/2012, 8:56am PDT
Re: Well this whole democracy experiment was fun while it lasted. by Official Caltrops Video Reviews 06/08/2012, 2:22pm PDT
produced NT by gruman 06/08/2012, 4:21pm PDT
Hey, did you catch where I posted as you in that other forum? by Mischief Maker 06/08/2012, 7:40pm PDT
No I didn't, I was busy doing things that weren't a waste of time. 8) by Official Caltrops Video Reviews 06/09/2012, 11:19am PDT
Re: No I didn't, I was busy doing things that weren't a waste of time. 8) by Blue Collar Voter 06/09/2012, 12:28pm PDT
This is one of the "people" I was talking about. They're the majority and they NT by get what they want and deserve. 06/09/2012, 2:19pm PDT
The left should spend the next few years demanding to see Walker's birth certifi NT by and holding Coffee Party rallies. 06/09/2012, 5:19pm PDT
While the Walker's still in, the recalls DID flip the Wisconsin legislature. by Mischief Maker 06/07/2012, 7:04am PDT
Re: While the Walker's still in, the recalls DID flip the Wisconsin legislature. by fabio 06/07/2012, 12:51pm PDT
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