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by Ice Cream Jonsey 11/01/2012, 10:02am PDT |
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Eurotrash wrote:
If you hate the game so much, why do you keep playing it? If you prefer the original, play the original or Extraterrestrials Gold. Fucking play Silent Storm.
Are you telling me to go back to Quake, but for squad-based tactics? I have to look it up, but I believe we agreed on "Go Back to Angry Birds" for S-BT games. =(
What difficulty are you playing on anyway? Classic is unbalanced and the AI cheats. Play on Normal.
Not sure, I'll have to check. It's either Normal or Classic. The fact that the AI cheats on "Classic," when in Classic X-COM, the aliend did not cheat is not helping arguments that this is a good game.
Look, man. You obviously play this game expecting a straight remake. It's not a straight remake.
It's not a bad game! I want to go on the record with that.
If they included everything from the original it'd end up a jumbled mess, or, best case, it'd play a lot slower than the current version.
Waitasec, how would adding base invasions, the ability to take 12 dudes on a mission and more interesting loadouts result in it being jumbled? It worked just fine in X-COM. Here is my main criticism of XCOM, though, and I'll say it so I don't say it in every thread: every time you remove a decision in a squad-based tactics game, you are making your game worse. Because that's all there is with squad-based tactic games: decisions. They eliminated so many decisions from the player so quickly that the game itself is becoming a little pointless.
I'll tell you something else that worries me: every mission I have been on so far had my dudes at one end of the map and the aliens directly ahead. The reason I couldn't get into Disgaea is because every battle was exactly like that and, compared to X-COM or Jagged Alliance, it feels artificial. Like a JRPG. I've only done four or five missions, but that shit really seems to be the case here. I hope that sooner or later these guys flank my ass.
I'm not trying to suck Firaxis' cock here, I just found the game to be surprisingly fun, very streamlined and balanced on Normal difficulty. Maybe because I wasn't trying to nitpick each and every change from the original. Which there are a lot of, but get over it man. Enjoy life. Take a vacation.
I don't think you're trying to suck Firaxis's cock. But at the same time, all the previews on this did not communicate the fact that the dev team didn't understand what they were making, what they were doing, or the effect their decisions had. Or hell - they probably did understand. They are not stupid. But couldn't do anything about it. They really need to open this thing up to mods immediately. They have a 99/100 game if they let people mod it, with the one percent they don't get being the fact that they put five troops on the box for a game that lets you take 4. I don't think the mod tools are going to go as far as printing new DVD boxes. You'd pretty much need a Makerbot.
Actually, there is one thing I would have liked them to go further with: so you start with 4 dudes on a mission. Fine. They make you pay for your right to take six guys. This is good! This is a great thing because I now have to make the choice to do that, versus pay for med kits or whatever, with my limited initial funds, and choices are interesting. But I wish that they had another thing where I could expand to 8. "Eight troops ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates
Wait, I have one more complaint, but it's American-centric. They show the flags of where the troops are from, but not the names of the countries. To be frank, some "junior" nations in Europe and Africa change their goddamn flag, government and dictator all the time. I know that Europeans have the will to memorize flags, whereas American kids memorize which costumes the Flash wore against which foe. But this is how much I like X-COM, I want the thing to take place IN the timesteam of X-COM. The two mods I really can't wait for is the one where you can take 8 troops out, and the one where you can rightfully cram-pack that Skyranger with diamond-plated agents of ZAIRE.
All right, this post is getting away from me. This is a fun game but they should have called it Alien Butt Crush or maybe gotten one of the geniuses at Blizzard to give it a hearty "x of y" name. The fact that I like it yet have complaints separates me from the No Mutants Allowed crowd, Eurotrash. It's fun! It is fun. All the models are ugly. But it's fun. God, the class system randomly deciding classes is awful. But overall it's fun. Holy fuck there's 9 different voices and none of them so much have a Scottish accent to them. But I am entertained for the most part.
XCOM is just an easy game to nitpick.
the dark and gritty...Ice Cream Jonsey! |
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This fucking tutorial by Ice Cream Jonsey 10/28/2012, 11:48pm PDT 
I told you to disable that tutorial almost a month ago! NT by WITTGENSTEIN 10/29/2012, 1:52pm PDT
I thought you were talking to somebody else. NT by Worm,Ed Gein 10/29/2012, 10:30pm PDT
Guess who fucked up while talking about X-Com Now! NT by Ator Maker 10/30/2012, 7:53am PDT
Inside the Post by Ice Cream Jonsey 10/30/2012, 6:09pm PDT
Don't suck up now, XCOM by Ice Cream Jonsey 10/29/2012, 11:21pm PDT
Set it to "Wetback". That'd be pretty funny. Maybe it'll unlock some secret shit NT by Eurotrash 10/30/2012, 11:48am PDT
But Eurotrash, XCOM is not about being cruel to different races NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 10/30/2012, 12:06pm PDT
What, that's ~all~ XCOM is about NT by Shredder 10/30/2012, 3:12pm PDT
Oh. Someone said "aliens", I thought it was "illegal aliens" and signed up. :( by Eurotrash 10/30/2012, 3:14pm PDT
They don't let you even get off the Skyranger now so I guess Firaxis was listeni NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 10/30/2012, 6:00pm PDT
Re: This fucking tutorial by Ice Cream Jonsey 10/31/2012, 11:45pm PDT
Jesus, man. :( by Eurotrash 11/01/2012, 1:36am PDT
HOMF GLOMF by Mischief Maker 11/01/2012, 3:06am PDT
Keep in mind that we are talking about a really fun game that everybody likes by Fullofkittens 11/01/2012, 4:04am PDT
Lay off, man! Making video games for profit is hard! by Mischief Maker 11/01/2012, 4:51am PDT
They're valid... if you are a fan of the original. by Fullofkittens 11/01/2012, 5:47am PDT
You aren't looking at 15 stats in the middle of a battle by Entropy Stew 11/01/2012, 6:09am PDT
So real life generals decide whether troops are assault class or heavies NT by Fullofkittens 11/01/2012, 6:22am PDT
You don't show up at the battlefield with a crack team of miscellania by Entropy Stew 11/01/2012, 7:37am PDT
I imagine X-COM as more like SETI with some United Nations funding for guns by Fullofkittens 11/01/2012, 8:07am PDT
Look, here's the thing. If you can't tell the sniper in your first 30 minutes NT by on the field... YOU ARE THE SNIPER 11/01/2012, 10:51am PDT
There's nothing necessarily wrong with random assignation of classes by Arbit 11/01/2012, 11:37am PDT
Best thing about Heavies is that +100% DMG against Robots/Cybernetics perk by WITTGENSTEIN 11/01/2012, 4:49pm PDT
Second Best: The perk that allows you to fire twice per turn NT by WITTGENSTEIN 11/01/2012, 5:04pm PDT
Is this a good place for complaints about Fallout 3? by Jerry Whorebach 11/02/2012, 8:50pm PDT
Is this a stalking horse for adding child murder back into the game? NT by Entropy Stew 11/02/2012, 9:42pm PDT
So the new X-Com is the Star Trek 11 of videogames? NT by Mischief Maker 11/01/2012, 6:43am PDT
I guess so, if a lot of people really liked Star Trek 11. by Fullofkittens 11/01/2012, 6:55am PDT
Re: They're valid... if you are a fan of the original. by Ice Cream Jonsey 11/01/2012, 10:22am PDT
Re: Lay off, man! Making video games for profit is hard! by Eurotrash 11/01/2012, 1:24pm PDT
Keep in mind that we are talking about a really fun game that everybody likes by Ice Cream Jonsey 11/01/2012, 10:05am PDT
You cunt NT by Are you actually Zseni? 11/05/2012, 12:54am PST
Re: Jesus, man. :( by Ice Cream Jonsey 11/01/2012, 10:02am PDT
I don't think you liked the original as much as you say you do. by turkey sandwich guy 11/01/2012, 10:13am PDT
Re: I don't think you liked the original as much as you say you do. by Ice Cream Jonsey 11/01/2012, 10:33am PDT
troop-squishing tanks imba imba imba imba imba imba imba imba imba imba imba imb NT by turkey sandwich guy 11/01/2012, 10:37am PDT
This has no bearing on anything, but by Entropy Stew 11/01/2012, 11:02am PDT
Also: you want a pre-op on your team if you're in a Grant Morrison comic NT by Entropy Stew 11/01/2012, 11:04am PDT
(born April 18, 1981; NT by formerly known as Autrijus Ween) 11/01/2012, 11:30am PDT
Hmm. I think it comes down to how one used to play the original. by Eurotrash 11/01/2012, 12:30pm PDT
The one nitpick with the battles by re: 11/01/2012, 1:40pm PDT
Re: Hmm. I think it comes down to how one used to play the original. by Ice Cream Jonsey 11/01/2012, 5:01pm PDT
Are you using the patch? by Lettuphant 11/01/2012, 7:55pm PDT
Jesus Christ, was I supposed to type [url]? You guys like it here in 2007? NT by Lettuphant 11/01/2012, 7:55pm PDT
Just use HTML my friend. by Ice Cream Jonsey 11/01/2012, 8:49pm PDT
Look on the bright side: one day, people will accuse Caltrops of still using by forum software from 2017. 11/01/2012, 9:47pm PDT
Totally stealing "swayze" as an adjective. NT by E. L. Koba 11/03/2012, 3:47pm PDT
Is it really that hard to [reply/quote] someone's post and look at the NT by FUCKING FORUM CODE? - WITTGENSTEIN 11/01/2012, 8:55pm PDT
This is why we never get any new posters. by Ice Cream Jonsey 11/01/2012, 9:18pm PDT
Re: This is why we never get any new posters. by Lettuphant 11/02/2012, 8:06am PDT
Wittgenstein getting irrationally angry over nothing important. NT by Another reason it's still 2007 11/02/2012, 9:08am PDT
There's no formatting manual/help link. It's not user friendly at all NT by Entropy Stew 11/02/2012, 10:25am PDT
The cunt is STRONG with this one. NT by turkey sandwich guy 11/01/2012, 6:59am PDT
You'll get yours in a second by Ice Cream Jonsey 11/01/2012, 7:32am PDT
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