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Good thing they ended their other Kickstarter a few days before saying this by skip 07/07/2013, 7:26pm PDT
Although according to people who've had access to the documentary clips, the project has had signs of trouble for a while. Of course this brings out the other Kickstarters, like Banner Saga, that got overfunded but still haven't gotten their shit together to defend him.

Lots of stuff has been going on in the Kickstarter community lately. I'm sure many of you have noticed Double Fine's announcement about splitting up their game into two parts. They've gotten some serious heat for this. Backers of Shadowrun have heard similar things about the content in that game, with the DLC being released much later.


Oh, I didn't even hear about this one. Checking their updates, Shadowrun Returns didn't actually have the license to distribute the game until after it got funded. DRM-free versions will only be available to backers and DLC will require Steam. Every update from a Kickstarter dev makes me less annoyed by publishers if this is what they have to deal with.

I would also like to talk about my personal opinion on this, and I'd love to be open and talk like a normal person instead of a PR person in damage control mode. Can we do this? Without freaking out? You can disagree with me of course, just be nice about it.


Much less annoyed.

This is hard. Like, way WAY hard. When we pitched the game we were hoping for enough money to get extra animations, maybe increase the length of the game. We thought we'd get, like, 2000 backers, not 20,000. A fine problem to have, right? Haha! Except that it's actually a huge problem. The hardest problem I've ever dealt with in my life. Now I know.


Publishers could help since they're pretty good about not giving extra money unless you know what you're doing.

We thought now we could do everything we ever wanted for the game, and got too ambitious. We thought we could make the game in six months, and I'm still not sure what we were thinking. That was stupid. I wish I could take that back, all we needed to do was put a different date there and nobody would be complaining. Whoops. We ARE still doing everything we want, and it's taking a long time. I don't feel bad about that. That was the POINT, right? To dream as big as we could?


Who fucking told you that? And at this point, if people are complaining about your game's tardiness it's because you haven't get them an idea of when it'll be out. Being late is now the rule for video game kickstarters, but communicating your new deadline would be nice.

We released a truly free demo hoping to make some extra cash for development, and got brutalized for it. But without that income and development time our single-player game wouldn't be as good. Some people will never understand this.


A truly free demo that you could pay to progress faster. All I can at this point is agree with ICJ that these fuckers don't truly appreciate the free money they've been given. They deserve the current video game publishing system, because it's the one they need.

It's interesting to think of it from someone else's point of view. For many people, letting a dev shoot for the moon is NOT the point. For a lot of people the point is I BOUGHT A GAME, WHERE IS IT? They want the biggest, best game ever made, on time, for their $10 contribution. I can see that, too. I don't really agree... but I suppose it's a matter of perspective.


Designing a game and this is the first time you're thinking about it from the backer's view. And who said they wanted a bigger game? They just want the game you pitched. To touch on Jerry's question above, why do all Kickstarters assume that just because they're getting more money, that people want that much of a better project? FTL got 2000% of what they asked but I didn't hear anybody complain that graphics and gameplay weren't 2000% better. The Megatokyo game is already depressingly 1000% funded and has only added some music. Lesiure Suit Larry got an extra 150K of funds, but didn't extend the scope of their project and nobody complained. Most people understand contracts and basically treat Kickstarter like one. If they get extra, great! But the basic terms should be fulfilled. The only ones who are trying to make the games into AAA stuff are the designers who don't like it when consumers call them out for mismanaging their money. The LSL FAQ has this great bit from last year:

Leisure Suit Larry FAQ wrote:

How come it's costing you $500,000 to do a re-make of Leisure Suit Larry and it only cost Double Fine $400,000 for a brand new game?

This was another really popular question today. I (Paul) just got off the phone with Greg, the producer over at Double Fine and asked him how it was possible to make a full fledged adventure game for $400k when it's costing us $500k to re-make Leisure Suit Larry. He told me that they initially only planned on making a small iOS game with 3 people on the entire team: 1 artist, 1 programmer, and 1 producer. That, plus they already had a game engine they spent millions of dollars making for a previous game whereas we're using the Unity engine and we're starting with the PC English version, which is a huge, huge difference!! The only thing we can re-use is the original design. Everything else we need to create from scratch: characters, environments, animations, engineering, and even sound effects.

I love the game but I would pledge more if you guys made a brand new Leisure Suit Larry game instead of a re-make of LSL 1

We would LOVE to make a new version of Leisure Suit Larry!! We thought about making LSL 4 (the missing floppies) or 8, or even 69!! The problem is, when we licensed the title from Codemasters back in October (you guys probably saw our big press release), we only licensed the re-makes. So we're doing that to fulfill our obligation. What we REALLY want to do is to make Leisure Suit Larry 8. To do that, though, it costs a hell of a lot more money than $500,000. To put it in perspective, LSL 7 cost about $2mm back in 1996 which is about $3mm today. The reason why we're re-making the original 7 versions is so we can bring them up to date, up to speed, and make enough money to build Leisure Suit Larry 8 (maybe even 4 but Al is a bit reluctant on #4). We really want to hit #8 out of the ball park so being 100% honest here, that means we have to save up enough money from the sales of 1-7 to make #8 which we see costing roughly $5 - $8 million dollars.


Al Lowe's games are in better hands than Schaefer's.
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Now you know what it's like to publish a Tim Schaefer game by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 07/03/2013, 12:29am PDT NEW
    Well two of the top five funded video game kickstarters are a disappointment by Worm 07/03/2013, 9:50am PDT NEW
        Star Citizen is technically in the top 5. NT by WITTGENSTEIN 07/04/2013, 4:46pm PDT NEW
    You're being too hard on him. I'd like to see you work with 750% of initial budg NT by Geniuses don't understand spreadshe 07/04/2013, 9:53am PDT NEW
    So Erik wasn't joking about working for that guy. NT by MM 07/04/2013, 10:32am PDT NEW
    Re: Now you know what it's like to publish a Tim Schaefer game by Souffle of Pain 07/04/2013, 5:58pm PDT NEW
    Play4Real Gaming is once again correct by The Warezwolf 07/05/2013, 11:33am PDT NEW
        at what point do you start rooting for the kickstarter scammers? by Com Thick 07/05/2013, 2:00pm PDT NEW
            You're replying to a joke article. You're aware of that, right? NT by Of course you are. 07/05/2013, 2:12pm PDT NEW
                I pulled a TDARCOS. I apologize :( by Com Thick 07/05/2013, 2:23pm PDT NEW
                    Eh, uh, oh, I was sleeping. Did someone mention my name? Oh. Ok. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz NT by Commander Tansin A. Darcos 07/07/2013, 2:20pm PDT NEW
                Ah shit by The Warezwolf 07/05/2013, 2:24pm PDT NEW
    Question for anyone who backed this, or even seriously considered it. by Jerry Whorebach 07/05/2013, 4:08pm PDT NEW
        Re: Question for anyone who backed this, or even seriously considered it. by Ice Cream Jonsey 07/05/2013, 10:35pm PDT NEW
            Diaspora asked for more money today NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/27/2013, 3:29pm PDT NEW
        I wouldn't have cared if they put the money into the game and actually finished by Rafiki 07/06/2013, 8:33am PDT NEW
        future torrenter, just as soon get all at once, still outraged NT by bombmexico 07/07/2013, 8:04pm PDT NEW
            hahaha NT by Brandon Flick 08/29/2013, 10:05pm PDT NEW
    Good thing they ended their other Kickstarter a few days before saying this by skip 07/07/2013, 7:26pm PDT NEW
        Re: Good thing they ended their other Kickstarter a few days before saying this by VG Subsidies 09/20/2014, 6:21pm PDT NEW
    They're abandoning an Early Access game, DF-9 by skip 09/20/2014, 9:04am PDT NEW
    ICJ and others who backed it. Now that the full game is out, what do you think? NT by skip 05/07/2015, 8:45pm PDT NEW
        ICJ and others who backed it. Now that the full game is out, what do you think? by Ice Cream Jonsey 05/08/2015, 4:07pm PDT NEW
        Sucked, not worth it. Contains spoilers for the awful plot by Rafiki 05/09/2015, 2:39pm PDT NEW
            Embarrassing revelation time by fabio 05/09/2015, 7:18pm PDT NEW
                Need a KickStarter to make fabio post his Psychonauts screenplay. Name your pric NT by Fabio Funder 05/10/2015, 3:59am PDT NEW
                    Funding goal: whatever Schafer or his publisher is charging for the movie rights NT by fabio 05/10/2015, 1:39pm PDT NEW
            So he literally steals a major plot point from Puella Magi Madoka Magica? by Worm 05/10/2015, 9:33am PDT NEW
                Or Bioshock. NT by skip 05/10/2015, 6:10pm PDT NEW
    Four and a half years later, a year and a half after the full release, and I jus by Rafiki 11/17/2016, 10:42am PST NEW
 
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