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Grand Theft Auto 5
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by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/05/2014, 7:13am PST |
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I was part of an interview panel a few years ago. The position was for that of a development manager. This role would have the candidate interfacing with both devs, natch, as well as the ten other layers of bureaucracy that went on.
Candidate was a good guy. Canadian, always a plus. Our most senior dev (that lacked the desire to get into management himself) asked what the candidate would do if development was telling him that a given task was impossible for a given deadline, which the CTO (or whoever) was demanding it by a certain time.
The candidate stated that he would work with both parties, attempt to get a compromise, have everyone work together, etc.
The senior developer then asked him what he would do if he were given a specific task by upper management and his development team was completely against it.
Again, the reply was more consensus building, let's all work together, and so forth. He was very eloquent.
The interview went on for another half hour. I thought the guy did a good job in a group interview with six people asking him questions from various disciplines. When it ended, the senior developer said no way. Thumbs down. I asked him why.
The reply was that the development manager must be an advocate for the devs. He's got to be on their side. Management has their own managers, and in this role the guy needs to fight for who's working for him, but really, who he is working for.
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GTA5 was banned at Target. This is an island continent it's happening in. You (apparently) had 40,000 signatures stating that the work was simply one of misogyny, which means that it was a work that simply had stuff that 40,000 people didn't like.
We've been talking for months about the current gaming press. It should be expected that all of them, individually and in concert, would be against the private censorship of the sort of games they cover. Journalists must understand that there is a sizable userbase of gamers that they are advocates for. This is who they are reporting to. You can't be on the side of the "burn the books" crew. If you think that GTA5 has unfair depictions of certain groups... well, you're wrong - it's a dystopia - but maybe you write opinion pieces on how the game's tone could be improved if it matters that much to you.
Not Brandon Keogh. He's 100% of the belief that banning the game was a great move, a gut step and was absolutely necessary.
https://archive.today/Wt5UX
Gamers are angry that Target Australia and K-Mart have taken Grand Theft Auto V off the shelves following a petition. But the petition signers are right. There is no denying the deeply rooted misogyny and sexism of the series. Brendan Keogh writes.
This makes more sense if you realize that misogyny no longer means the hatred or mistrust of women, but instead means, "something I don't like." Sexism isn't at the root of the series. Show me the sexism of GTA1, GTA2 and the GTA London expansion. So that's misleading. The protagonist in GTA3 didn't fucking talk. GTA3 was really the game that launched what very stupid people like Keogh think of as "the series."
But the deal is, if you're writing about games and you hate games, want gamers to die and are writing articles that are pro-censorship, you're no longer a games journalist. You're a piece of shit that is so taken with being on a different "side" than your hated enemies of GamerGate that what's right is whatever the other side would object to. Brandon decided a long ago that he's on the anti-gamergate side. It's his football team. This means that he's got to be against what they believe in, no matter how objectively correct the other side happens to be.
This is gaming journalism in 2014 and this is why the entire thing is getting blown up.
the dark and gritty...Ice Cream Jonsey! |
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GTA5 banned in Target, in Australia by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/05/2014, 7:13am PST 
She's not going to take away your games. (GTA 5 BANNED IN AUSTRALIA) NT by Jim Sterling 12/05/2014, 7:52am PST
Sweeping censorship is definitely possible by Chinese Skeleton 12/05/2014, 8:02am PST
Liberals still claim "we're not in favor of censorship" as they censor things. by kate leth 12/05/2014, 7:57am PST
EDITS by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/05/2014, 8:19am PST
I'll have people know I play gta5 with my 3yo daughter, she loves it and she's by Eurotrash 12/05/2014, 9:54am PST
BUT MAH VIDEO GAMES BOO HOO HOO HOO by #ItsAboutEthicsinGamingJournalism 12/05/2014, 1:01pm PST
Do you actually play/enjoy video games? NT by Mysterio 12/05/2014, 1:24pm PST
Excuse those of us who think gaming can be more about by #ItsAboutEthicsinGamingJournalism 12/05/2014, 2:01pm PST
Do you even like games though? What were the last few that you played? NT by Mysterio 12/05/2014, 2:16pm PST
People would take this line more seriously if by 10% of my posts are inlined goatse 12/05/2014, 2:16pm PST
Can you imagine if someone capped off their anti-Michael Bay screed with this? by Worm 12/05/2014, 2:17pm PST
uhg I even carried over your mistake *ABOUT MORE THAN NT by Worm 12/05/2014, 2:18pm PST
Re: BUT MAH VIDEO GAMES BOO HOO HOO HOO by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/05/2014, 1:52pm PST
Re: BUT MAH VIDEO GAMES BOO HOO HOO HOO by #ItsAboutEthicsinGamingJournalism 12/05/2014, 2:03pm PST
Re: BUT MAH VIDEO GAMES BOO HOO HOO HOO by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/05/2014, 2:13pm PST
Why haven't you said something is "gross" yet? NT by Say something is gross. 12/05/2014, 2:41pm PST
I'm sure Target Australia was missing out on that 'former sex worker' money. by Worm 12/05/2014, 1:58pm PST
American Psycho is also banned from publication in Australia by WITTGENSTEIN 12/05/2014, 3:14pm PST
I think it's great news by Roop 12/05/2014, 3:33pm PST
Good for you by #ItsAboutEthicsinGamingJournalism 12/05/2014, 4:21pm PST
Re: Good for you by Roop 12/05/2014, 4:46pm PST
Re: Good for you by #ItsAboutEthicsinGamingJournalism 12/05/2014, 4:58pm PST
Man this shtick sure got lazy all of the sudden... NT by The Happiness Engine 12/05/2014, 5:29pm PST
I'm glad this faggot's here. by Souffle of Pain 12/05/2014, 6:18pm PST
Re: I'm glad this faggot's here. by Chillum 12/05/2014, 7:00pm PST
I'm assuming a Cable brother NT by Entropy Stew 12/05/2014, 8:20pm PST
This isn't censorship you dumb fuck by #ItsAboutEthicsinGamingJournalism 12/05/2014, 9:39pm PST
Re: This isn't censorship you dumb fuck by Souffle of Pain 12/05/2014, 10:32pm PST
It is, but you won't be back. Won't be back at all. NT by C-Dog 12/08/2014, 9:47am PST
Yes yes GG are paragons of freespeech heroism and SJWs are totalitarian authorit by arian karl marxian blah blah blah 12/05/2014, 5:16pm PST
Well, that's okay because we're all hypocrites whose values fluctuate constantly NT by Worm 12/05/2014, 5:21pm PST
It's not to change editorial content, they wanted ethic policies by Roop 12/05/2014, 6:04pm PST
That's fine. I like games, not games journalism by Mysterio 12/05/2014, 6:40pm PST
Every time you and the other guy make a sarcastic, hyperbolic comment, it ends by up coming true -fabio 12/05/2014, 7:00pm PST
So it's true that GG is a paragon of freespeech despite you admitting they advoc by ate book burning? -Arbit 12/06/2014, 11:02am PST
^^ figuratively, of course by Arbit 12/06/2014, 11:06am PST
Did he even mention GG? Or is he GG himself by virtue of disagreeing with you? by Worm 12/06/2014, 11:26am PST
Always trust the viewpoint that reduces everything to binary extremes by fabio 12/06/2014, 5:18pm PST
Re: Always trust the viewpoint that reduces everything to binary extremes by #ItsAboutEthicsinGamingJournalism 12/06/2014, 11:29pm PST
I take out a mortgage to bet that fabio has more sex than you NT by Chinese Skeleton 12/07/2014, 7:18am PST
Reminder: capital letters, please. NT by You are not the new punk rock, tumb 12/07/2014, 8:41am PST
Totally not censorship you guys by Jonathan McIntosh 12/06/2014, 7:13am PST
Well you could still buy it direct, I guess? by Worm 12/06/2014, 7:38am PST
If anything, GTA 5 is full of some clearly liberal messages by Eurotrash 12/06/2014, 9:02am PST
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