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ELECTION WATCH 2016
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by blackwater 12/25/2016, 1:47pm PST |
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Mischief Maker wrote:
I believe that replacing or at least heavily pressuring the idiots who have the steering wheel of the DNC is a much more viable strategy than building a brand new political party from scratch. I thought a disgruntled vote for Stein was cutting your own throat. I went around actively getting into arguments with people about why it was necessary to hold your nose and vote for Hillary and getting called a sellout. But the thing is, I hate the Democratic party MORE than any Bernie or Buster! Because I had firsthand knowledge of their preternatural ability to fuck up golden opportunities one after the other. But the fact that we don't have proportional representation in the US means we will always have only two viable parties and I'm enraged that they're the only sane option I have.
What parts of Hillary's agenda did you actually support? The Trans-Pacific Partnership? Regime change in Syria? More affirmative action and quotas? The Dodd-Frank financial bills? Open borders ala DREAM? I'm not trolling you, just honestly curious.
Mischief Maker wrote:
Here's what I think about Bernie "selling out" this campaign. Flint Michigan still has fucking lead in their drinking water. Asking them to let their children be poisoned for another 4 years to punish Hillary for her cheating and shock the squares out of their apathetic complacency was an unacceptable option.
Flint, Michigan is currently replacing the lead pipes and purchasing treated water. Trump being elected will have no effect on those plans. It's a local government issue. Anyway, even if Hillary had been elected, exposure to leaded water causes irreversable brain damage. Hillary can't wave a magic wand and reverse that.
Personally, I don't see Flint as a left / right issue or a big government / small government issue. It's more of a government competence / incompetence issue. They needed to treat the water to raise its pH. Because they failed to do that, the acidic water stripped off the phosphate coating of the pipes that was (mostly) protecting the citizens from the lead pipes.
There are lots of places in the US where lead is a problem. In fact, Flint wouldn't even be in the top 3,000 hotspots for lead poisoning.. The depressing truth is that Flint got attention only because it's a place where the issue could be framed as a social justice issue, and embarrass a Republican governor. In general, neither party gives a shit about these kind of infrastructure issues unless it can be framed in a way that scores points for their agenda.
Hell, the US hasn't even banned known carcinogens from cosmetics. The FDA's own website even explains that they allow lead acetate in hair dyes. This is some late Roman-empire shit here but nobody cares because it's not SOCIAL JUSTICE or INVADING SYRIA.
Mischief Maker wrote:
And there are a zillion other time-sensitive issues that would have been in a better place if Hillary got the job. Based on his record, I'm inclined to think Bernie's top priority is helping people, that's why he had a history of coauthoring bills with republicans and setting aside his own glory to let the republican put his name on it and increase the chances of it passing. People went berserk when Thom Hartmann called voting Jill Stein a white privilege luxury, but I'm inclined to agree with him. Bernie may have sold out a conceptual ideal, but he didn't sell out human beings in need.
A zillion issues? Really? I don't agree with Trump's take on net neutrality or the Paris Accords, but I don't think those will end up being that important in the grand scheme of things. The Paris Accords were too little, too late anyway. to prevent global warming. Cheap natural gas from fracking has done more to lower co2 emissions in the US than Obama or the Dems ever could have. I expect natural gas to continue to dominate under Trump, for the same reasons. As a consumer I want net neutrality so that I can have cheaper internet and TV. But it's not THAT big a deal if those things get more expensive.
Mischief Maker wrote:
But fuuuuuuuuuuck am I pissed at Hillary for elbowing herself into such a crucial position when she was vulnerable from three separate brewing scandals. If not Bernie, that all-important slot could have at least been occupied by Joe Biden. As an individual person I feel terrible for what she's gone through at the hands of Republicans since the early 90s. But when you take on that level of responsibility you are no longer entitled to the same level of forgiveness one would give to an ordinary citizen. And that goes triple for the KKKlown. Fuck fuck fuck fuckitty fuck do I hate the Democratic Party!
Yes. Let the hate flow through you. Soon, an independent voter, you will be, my young padawan. |
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Can someone explain to an outsider why Bernie never got the Dem nomination by Oom Shnibble 12/21/2016, 4:54am PST 
Because he's not a Democrat. NT by Fullofkittens 12/21/2016, 6:24am PST 
Four reasons primarily: by Mischief Maker 12/21/2016, 9:12am PST 
Whoops! I mean five. NT by Mischief Maker 12/21/2016, 9:12am PST 
Open primaries can lead to their own fuckery by Vested Id 12/21/2016, 10:51am PST 
Large scale organized corruption like that is MUCH harder. I'd take that trade. NT by Mischief Maker 12/21/2016, 11:00am PST 
All of my elite hackers. by Putin. 12/21/2016, 2:40pm PST 
Who ever said the Russians were helping Hillary??? by MM 12/21/2016, 3:03pm PST 
A logical conclusion. by Putin' things into perspective. 12/21/2016, 4:47pm PST 
Re: A logical conclusion. by I know nothing about Pokemon 12/21/2016, 6:02pm PST 
Re: Re: A logical conclusion. by Putin' things into perspective. 12/21/2016, 6:43pm PST 
Didn't he appoint a few already NT by Brown Sonja and Kike&Dyke 12/21/2016, 9:49pm PST 
Sotomayor is a shit, Kagan is very well respected by Mysterio 12/22/2016, 5:58pm PST 
Trump fans calling Hillary Clinton "a complete monster" is ironic and laughable NT by "I'm not a Trump fan" they then say 12/24/2016, 5:26pm PST 
Quarter century of character assasination. Even Bullshit leaves a smell. NT by MM 12/24/2016, 7:11pm PST 
Shame so often it was her pulling the trigger NT by Do I need to link to a montage 12/24/2016, 8:18pm PST 
Nah. I'm done defending her. I'll concede this one to you. Happy Holidays! NT by Mischief Maker 12/25/2016, 4:08am PST 
Especially when it is coming out my own mouth. NT by Crooked Hillary. 12/25/2016, 1:09am PST 
Congrats not figuring out the comment above you said the exact same thing NT by hours ago 12/25/2016, 1:34am PST 
I liked my version better. NT by Crooked Hillary. 12/25/2016, 1:40am PST 
I can't stop laughing either. by Crooked Hillary. 12/25/2016, 1:03am PST 
Because Hillary was the better candidate and more people wanted her by truth 12/21/2016, 5:07pm PST 
You have a strange definition of "better." by Mischief Maker 12/21/2016, 6:00pm PST 
Again my biggest regret is playing ball with you losers and voting Hillary. NT by Worm 12/21/2016, 8:06pm PST 
skip, Eichenwald sucks by Vested Id 12/22/2016, 4:02pm PST 
tbc he does suffer from seizures, *yes and* by Vested Id 12/22/2016, 4:23pm PST 
Also, if the DNC is "an impotent organization with very little power..." by Mischief Maker 12/25/2016, 4:33am PST 
Interesting article about Bernie campaigners being ignored by HRC in the general by Mischief Maker 12/22/2016, 10:42pm PST 
Re: Interesting article about Bernie campaigners being ignored by HRC in the by John Gulp 12/22/2016, 11:26pm PST 
This was my frustration this campaign post-primary. by Mischief Maker 12/23/2016, 8:44pm PST 
Fuck Flint. None of you neoliberal Dems should be allowed to utter that name NT by You didn't care until it made news 12/24/2016, 10:12am PST 
Now I'm a neoliberal. See what I mean? NT by Mischief Maker 12/24/2016, 10:37am PST 
neoliberal - adjective - Someone who says "Yeah, Hillary is moneyed and corrupt NT by BUT TRUMP!!!1111ONE" 12/24/2016, 10:45am PST 
By that definition Noam Chomsky is a neoliberal. by Mischief Maker 12/24/2016, 11:29am PST 
Roger and Me came out in 1989 NT by fabio 12/24/2016, 7:30pm PST 
Yeah but how much did you tweet about it in 1989? by Worm 12/24/2016, 8:21pm PST 
Re: This was my frustration this campaign post-primary. by blackwater 12/25/2016, 1:47pm PST 
Re: This was my frustration this campaign post-primary. by Mischief Maker 12/25/2016, 2:54pm PST 
Who knows if anyone would have been able to influence her at all by Vested Id 12/25/2016, 4:14pm PST 
Well it's all academic at this point. Just explaining my thinking at the time. NT by Mischief Maker 12/25/2016, 4:24pm PST 
Hillary is far from being a blank slate. Trump is far from being Coolidge by Blackwater 12/25/2016, 10:17pm PST 
It never ends. by Mischief Maker 04/21/2017, 6:19am PDT 
#dachathoughts NT by by Bernie Sanders 04/21/2017, 7:54am PDT 
How do you explain Hillary beating Bernie in most of the rust belt swing states? by bernie busters 04/21/2017, 11:35pm PDT 
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