Forum Overview :: Sigil
 
It's not the 2D graphics that make Doom great, it's the 2D gameplay. by Dream Cast 12/12/2018, 3:01am PST
You can't aim up or down in Doom because, like all great 2D shooters, it's not about aiming - it's about evading. Every enemy attack in Doom can be dodged. Even the grunts, with their hitscan guns, will lock on to your position a fraction of a second before pulling the trigger; as long as you displace in time, they won't touch you. If enemies appeared on the automap, you could play the entire game from a top-down perspective, where it would soon become clear what you're really dealing with is a geometry puzzle (not unlike Street Fighter II, another game I don't think you were crazy about).

Doom is navigating irregular 2D planes of varying complexity and hazards, avoiding a large quantity and variety of enemies (each of which move at different speeds, and launch projectiles that travel at different speeds), threading the needle while prioritizing targets and weaving in and out of optimal range for your own weapons (shotgun pellets spread, rockets do splash damage, the chainsaw continues doing damage as long as contact is maintained, etc). Quake today is a lot more like Doom was at the time, since there's no longer any limit to the number of enemies (and number of TYPES of enemies) you can throw at the player in a custom map, but individual enemies still take more damage, more precision, and more time to kill, resulting in a more offensively-focused game. Add in the 3D environmental navigation and you're closer to no-hitboxes Virtua Fighter than graph paper dolls Street Fighter.

Another thing Quake is way better at today than it was at the time: looking pretty!



It's not as much fun as Doom, in the same way that 3D Tetris is never as good as the real thing, but it might actually be more fun to BEHOLD.



The enemies are still fucking ugly, though.
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Here is a video of Sigil by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/11/2018, 7:22am PST NEW
    I never had a 486 growing up. by Mischief Maker 12/11/2018, 5:54pm PST NEW
        Re: I never had a 486 growing up. by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/11/2018, 6:54pm PST NEW
        It's not the 2D graphics that make Doom great, it's the 2D gameplay. by Dream Cast 12/12/2018, 3:01am PST NEW
            Street Fighter vs. Virtua Fighter by Dream Cast 12/12/2018, 4:32am PST NEW
                Re: Street Fighter vs. Virtua Fighter by Entropy Stew 12/16/2018, 11:02am PST NEW
                    Sure! It applies to every competitive game, to one extent or another. by Dream Cast 12/16/2018, 1:13pm PST NEW
                        Re: Sure! It applies to every competitive game, to one extent or another. by Entropy Stew 12/16/2018, 9:24pm PST NEW
                            I think we've both been making too many assumptions about each other. by Dream Cast 12/17/2018, 2:59am PST NEW
                                Yeah, I was definitely generalizing by Entropy Stew 12/18/2018, 9:05pm PST NEW
                                    Oh, I forgot one by Entropy Stew 12/18/2018, 10:23pm PST NEW
                                        I'll defer to your expertise when it comes to Street Fighter. by Dream Cast 12/19/2018, 2:15am PST NEW
            An example of Doom exploiting its two-dimensionality: by Dream Cast 12/12/2018, 7:20am PST NEW
            Christ, those Quake screenshots look great. NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/12/2018, 11:36am PST NEW
                I bought the Sigil box by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/15/2018, 3:41pm PST NEW
                    Showed up! by Ice Cream Jonsey 05/28/2019, 6:10pm PDT NEW
            How can I make my Quake look like that? NT by Ichabod 12/15/2018, 7:15pm PST NEW
                I stole those screenshots from Quaddicted.com by Dream Cast 12/16/2018, 1:46am PST NEW
            I may come off as indignant in this post. I'm just really passionate about Doom. by Dream Cast 12/17/2018, 7:41am PST NEW
                How do you feel about others of that time? Blood, Heretic, Duke 3d? NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/17/2018, 1:22pm PST NEW
                    I like them! Not as much as Doom, but still. by Dream Cast 12/17/2018, 2:56pm PST NEW
                        Forever in its thrall by DooM Floppy #3 12/17/2018, 8:37pm PST NEW
                        I'll have my 90s shooter list for you soon. But yes, Doom was #1. by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/18/2018, 6:51am PST NEW
                            Re: I'll have my 90s shooter list for you soon. But yes, Doom was #1. by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/18/2018, 1:25pm PST NEW
                                He must've seen the ram signal in the sky because he just started rambling. by Dream Cast 12/18/2018, 5:56pm PST NEW
                                Is Magic Carpet a shooter? by Entropy Stew 12/18/2018, 10:33pm PST NEW
                                    Re: Is Magic Carpet a shooter? by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/19/2018, 5:13am PST NEW
                                        Re: Is Magic Carpet a shooter? by Roop 12/19/2018, 7:25am PST NEW
                                        I don't recall liking Hexen very much, either. by Dream Cast 12/21/2018, 4:04am PST NEW
                                            My memory of Hexen: "This is too dreary and ugly to be a wizard battle game." NT by Fullofkittens 12/21/2018, 6:45am PST NEW
                Is there any modern FPS with Doom’s gameplay? by Blackwater 12/19/2018, 12:46am PST NEW
                    There are some! by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/19/2018, 5:21am PST NEW
                        Cool. That is very Doomy. by blackwater 12/19/2018, 4:24pm PST NEW
                    Does Doom (2016) count? by Entropy Stew 12/20/2018, 6:25pm PST NEW
                        If nuDOOM counts, then so does Shadow Warrior 2, give that a looksee. NT by Mischief Maker 12/20/2018, 7:20pm PST NEW
                Re hitscan: THIS IS HOW YOU END UP WITH COVER SHOOTERS NT by Entropy Stew 12/20/2018, 6:16pm PST NEW
        I've been enjoying this thread so much I hate to clarify... by Mischief Maker 12/17/2018, 8:57pm PST NEW
    I like this video too. 25 years of Doom by Ichabod 12/11/2018, 8:54pm PST NEW
 
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