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Re: Sure! It applies to every competitive game, to one extent or another. by Entropy Stew 12/16/2018, 9:24pm PST
Dream Cast wrote:

I kind of want to pretend I was talking about playing Street Fighter against the computer, but I'm afraid the top of your head might fly off like the lid of a cartoon teapot so I'll try to be serious. Most competitive games either have ways to materially limit your opponent's options, ie zoning spamming dragon punches, or are (un)balanced in such a way that viable options are limited to begin with. It's harder to put someone in a corner when they can sidestep (or do a million other things), is what I was trying to say, just like it's easier to tell whether or not a monster can hit you from where he's standing in Doom, and precisely where you could move to stymie him (behind any other monster, for example). I certainly didn't mean to imply that Street Fighter sucks as a multiplayer game compared to Virtua Fighter the same way Doom does compared to Quake, just that a 2D FPS can share some of the advantages of a 2D fighting game, and maybe even bask in some of the reflected validity?


I think you're trying to stretch out some metaphors that don't really apply.

1. 3D fighters don't usually utilize the vertical axis anywhere near as much as a 2D fighter. You generally stay grounded except for small hops and when you're juggling dudes. So, still mostly 2D.
2. 3D fighters have walls, corners, and ring outs. I'm not aware of any 1-hit loss elements in 2d fighters that work like a ring out.
3. 2D and 3D in fighting games refers to the axes of movement available, not the rendering tech. Most 2D fighters made today are using polygons.
4. 2D and 3D fighters have a wildly different feel gameplay-wise. I think you're trying to argue this for 2.5D shooters, but are somehow ignorant of the fact that 2.5D is just shitty 3D born entirely of hardware constraints.
5. How dare you compare shitty 2.5D rendering engines to my beautiful 2D fighting games top of head flies off
6. 2.5D as an aesthetic aged like milk. 2D games still look great, even to the point that shit tons of games are still made entirely with sprites.

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Here is a video of Sigil by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/11/2018, 7:22am PST NEW
    I never had a 486 growing up. by Mischief Maker 12/11/2018, 5:54pm PST NEW
        Re: I never had a 486 growing up. by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/11/2018, 6:54pm PST NEW
        It's not the 2D graphics that make Doom great, it's the 2D gameplay. by Dream Cast 12/12/2018, 3:01am PST NEW
            Street Fighter vs. Virtua Fighter by Dream Cast 12/12/2018, 4:32am PST NEW
                Re: Street Fighter vs. Virtua Fighter by Entropy Stew 12/16/2018, 11:02am PST NEW
                    Sure! It applies to every competitive game, to one extent or another. by Dream Cast 12/16/2018, 1:13pm PST NEW
                        Re: Sure! It applies to every competitive game, to one extent or another. by Entropy Stew 12/16/2018, 9:24pm PST NEW
                            I think we've both been making too many assumptions about each other. by Dream Cast 12/17/2018, 2:59am PST NEW
                                Yeah, I was definitely generalizing by Entropy Stew 12/18/2018, 9:05pm PST NEW
                                    Oh, I forgot one by Entropy Stew 12/18/2018, 10:23pm PST NEW
                                        I'll defer to your expertise when it comes to Street Fighter. by Dream Cast 12/19/2018, 2:15am PST NEW
            An example of Doom exploiting its two-dimensionality: by Dream Cast 12/12/2018, 7:20am PST NEW
            Christ, those Quake screenshots look great. NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/12/2018, 11:36am PST NEW
                I bought the Sigil box by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/15/2018, 3:41pm PST NEW
                    Showed up! by Ice Cream Jonsey 05/28/2019, 6:10pm PDT NEW
            How can I make my Quake look like that? NT by Ichabod 12/15/2018, 7:15pm PST NEW
                I stole those screenshots from Quaddicted.com by Dream Cast 12/16/2018, 1:46am PST NEW
            I may come off as indignant in this post. I'm just really passionate about Doom. by Dream Cast 12/17/2018, 7:41am PST NEW
                How do you feel about others of that time? Blood, Heretic, Duke 3d? NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/17/2018, 1:22pm PST NEW
                    I like them! Not as much as Doom, but still. by Dream Cast 12/17/2018, 2:56pm PST NEW
                        Forever in its thrall by DooM Floppy #3 12/17/2018, 8:37pm PST NEW
                        I'll have my 90s shooter list for you soon. But yes, Doom was #1. by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/18/2018, 6:51am PST NEW
                            Re: I'll have my 90s shooter list for you soon. But yes, Doom was #1. by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/18/2018, 1:25pm PST NEW
                                He must've seen the ram signal in the sky because he just started rambling. by Dream Cast 12/18/2018, 5:56pm PST NEW
                                Is Magic Carpet a shooter? by Entropy Stew 12/18/2018, 10:33pm PST NEW
                                    Re: Is Magic Carpet a shooter? by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/19/2018, 5:13am PST NEW
                                        Re: Is Magic Carpet a shooter? by Roop 12/19/2018, 7:25am PST NEW
                                        I don't recall liking Hexen very much, either. by Dream Cast 12/21/2018, 4:04am PST NEW
                                            My memory of Hexen: "This is too dreary and ugly to be a wizard battle game." NT by Fullofkittens 12/21/2018, 6:45am PST NEW
                Is there any modern FPS with Doom’s gameplay? by Blackwater 12/19/2018, 12:46am PST NEW
                    There are some! by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/19/2018, 5:21am PST NEW
                        Cool. That is very Doomy. by blackwater 12/19/2018, 4:24pm PST NEW
                    Does Doom (2016) count? by Entropy Stew 12/20/2018, 6:25pm PST NEW
                        If nuDOOM counts, then so does Shadow Warrior 2, give that a looksee. NT by Mischief Maker 12/20/2018, 7:20pm PST NEW
                Re hitscan: THIS IS HOW YOU END UP WITH COVER SHOOTERS NT by Entropy Stew 12/20/2018, 6:16pm PST NEW
        I've been enjoying this thread so much I hate to clarify... by Mischief Maker 12/17/2018, 8:57pm PST NEW
    I like this video too. 25 years of Doom by Ichabod 12/11/2018, 8:54pm PST NEW
 
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