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Dream Cast wrote:
I kind of want to pretend I was talking about playing Street Fighter against the computer, but I'm afraid the top of your head might fly off like the lid of a cartoon teapot so I'll try to be serious. Most competitive games either have ways to materially limit your opponent's options, ie zoning spamming dragon punches, or are (un)balanced in such a way that viable options are limited to begin with. It's harder to put someone in a corner when they can sidestep (or do a million other things), is what I was trying to say, just like it's easier to tell whether or not a monster can hit you from where he's standing in Doom, and precisely where you could move to stymie him (behind any other monster, for example). I certainly didn't mean to imply that Street Fighter sucks as a multiplayer game compared to Virtua Fighter the same way Doom does compared to Quake, just that a 2D FPS can share some of the advantages of a 2D fighting game, and maybe even bask in some of the reflected validity?
I think you're trying to stretch out some metaphors that don't really apply.
1. 3D fighters don't usually utilize the vertical axis anywhere near as much as a 2D fighter. You generally stay grounded except for small hops and when you're juggling dudes. So, still mostly 2D.
2. 3D fighters have walls, corners, and ring outs. I'm not aware of any 1-hit loss elements in 2d fighters that work like a ring out.
3. 2D and 3D in fighting games refers to the axes of movement available, not the rendering tech. Most 2D fighters made today are using polygons.
4. 2D and 3D fighters have a wildly different feel gameplay-wise. I think you're trying to argue this for 2.5D shooters, but are somehow ignorant of the fact that 2.5D is just shitty 3D born entirely of hardware constraints.
5. How dare you compare shitty 2.5D rendering engines to my beautiful 2D fighting games top of head flies off
6. 2.5D as an aesthetic aged like milk. 2D games still look great, even to the point that shit tons of games are still made entirely with sprites.
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Here is a video of Sigil by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/11/2018, 7:22am PST
I never had a 486 growing up. by Mischief Maker 12/11/2018, 5:54pm PST
Re: I never had a 486 growing up. by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/11/2018, 6:54pm PST
It's not the 2D graphics that make Doom great, it's the 2D gameplay. by Dream Cast 12/12/2018, 3:01am PST
Street Fighter vs. Virtua Fighter by Dream Cast 12/12/2018, 4:32am PST
Re: Street Fighter vs. Virtua Fighter by Entropy Stew 12/16/2018, 11:02am PST
Sure! It applies to every competitive game, to one extent or another. by Dream Cast 12/16/2018, 1:13pm PST
Re: Sure! It applies to every competitive game, to one extent or another. by Entropy Stew 12/16/2018, 9:24pm PST
I think we've both been making too many assumptions about each other. by Dream Cast 12/17/2018, 2:59am PST
Yeah, I was definitely generalizing by Entropy Stew 12/18/2018, 9:05pm PST
Oh, I forgot one by Entropy Stew 12/18/2018, 10:23pm PST
I'll defer to your expertise when it comes to Street Fighter. by Dream Cast 12/19/2018, 2:15am PST
An example of Doom exploiting its two-dimensionality: by Dream Cast 12/12/2018, 7:20am PST
Christ, those Quake screenshots look great. NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/12/2018, 11:36am PST
I bought the Sigil box by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/15/2018, 3:41pm PST
Showed up! by Ice Cream Jonsey 05/28/2019, 6:10pm PDT
How can I make my Quake look like that? NT by Ichabod 12/15/2018, 7:15pm PST
I stole those screenshots from Quaddicted.com by Dream Cast 12/16/2018, 1:46am PST
I may come off as indignant in this post. I'm just really passionate about Doom. by Dream Cast 12/17/2018, 7:41am PST
How do you feel about others of that time? Blood, Heretic, Duke 3d? NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/17/2018, 1:22pm PST
I like them! Not as much as Doom, but still. by Dream Cast 12/17/2018, 2:56pm PST
Forever in its thrall by DooM Floppy #3 12/17/2018, 8:37pm PST
I'll have my 90s shooter list for you soon. But yes, Doom was #1. by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/18/2018, 6:51am PST
Re: I'll have my 90s shooter list for you soon. But yes, Doom was #1. by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/18/2018, 1:25pm PST
He must've seen the ram signal in the sky because he just started rambling. by Dream Cast 12/18/2018, 5:56pm PST
Is Magic Carpet a shooter? by Entropy Stew 12/18/2018, 10:33pm PST
Re: Is Magic Carpet a shooter? by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/19/2018, 5:13am PST
Re: Is Magic Carpet a shooter? by Roop 12/19/2018, 7:25am PST
I don't recall liking Hexen very much, either. by Dream Cast 12/21/2018, 4:04am PST
My memory of Hexen: "This is too dreary and ugly to be a wizard battle game." NT by Fullofkittens 12/21/2018, 6:45am PST
Is there any modern FPS with Doom’s gameplay? by Blackwater 12/19/2018, 12:46am PST
There are some! by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/19/2018, 5:21am PST
Cool. That is very Doomy. by blackwater 12/19/2018, 4:24pm PST
Does Doom (2016) count? by Entropy Stew 12/20/2018, 6:25pm PST
If nuDOOM counts, then so does Shadow Warrior 2, give that a looksee. NT by Mischief Maker 12/20/2018, 7:20pm PST
Re hitscan: THIS IS HOW YOU END UP WITH COVER SHOOTERS NT by Entropy Stew 12/20/2018, 6:16pm PST
I've been enjoying this thread so much I hate to clarify... by Mischief Maker 12/17/2018, 8:57pm PST
I like this video too. 25 years of Doom by Ichabod 12/11/2018, 8:54pm PST
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