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Re: He... may not be completely wrong? by The Happiness Engine 03/15/2019, 9:23am PDT
blackwater wrote:

CNet covers it here.


What are the investigations focusing on?

Remember those larger CFM LEAP engines? Well, because they're bigger, and because the 737 sits so low to the ground (a deliberate design choice to let it serve small airports with limited ground equipment), Boeing moved the engines slightly forward and raised them higher on their underwing pylons. (If you place an engine too close to ground, it can suck in debris while the plane is taxiing.)

That new position changed the aircraft's center of gravity, creating the potential for the nose to pitch up during flight. Boeing designed software called the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System, or MCAS, to overcome this action. When a sensor on the fuselage detects that the nose is too high, which could eventually cause the plane to stall, MCAS automatically pushes the nose down.

Investigators in the Lion Air crash have said that a fault in the the sensor may have been feeding incorrect data to MCAS, pitching the nose down into a dive. According to the investigation, the Lion Air pilots struggled to take control of the plane before the crash as it pitched up and down. (For a thorough explanation of MCAS, see this story from The Air Current.)


So basically, Boeing designed a complex computer system to compensate for an instability in the plane. The complex computer system appears to have malfunctioned.

Granted, once you express it with Trump's vocabulary, it sounds like your grandma complaining about the webs being down again. But he's not completely wrong in this case.

Of course, we don't completely know what's going on, since the investigations aren't complete. It's possible that the investigations will turn up something different as the root cause of the crashes. So you could argue that Trump should let the experts at the FAA do their job. But that's a different argument than just saying he's completely crazy.


This is WILDLY disingenuous and you know it, you trolling fuck. Boeing convinced the FAA that it did not need to tell pilots about MCAS so that 737-certified pilots could fly 737Max without costly retraining, bringing the total savings from the new plane down even more. When MCAS malfunctioned on Lion Air, the trim stabilizers were able to overrule the elevators and send the plane nose-down. Rather than update training materials Boeing decided to work on a software patch to limit the ability of MCAS to do that. Instead, the same thing (probably) happened again and killed a bunch of policy wonks, making policy wonks everywhere care rather more, grounding planes and costing Boeing precious MONEY. The FAA wanted to keep Boeing flying because of the US/EU fight with Airbus. Trump waded in to shit-blather more money out of the American economy.

All of this has ZERO to do with planes being "too complex" or your idiot-god understanding the simplest things.
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    How did the fucking moron fuck up today? NT by I'm sure it's a great game 03/13/2019, 1:49pm PDT NEW
        The traitorous piece of shit? Or Kevin Downing, Manafort's lawyer? by I'm sure it's a great game 03/13/2019, 3:08pm PDT NEW
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    He... may not be completely wrong? by blackwater 03/13/2019, 7:59pm PDT NEW
        Look you FUCKING ASSHOLE by laudablepuss 03/13/2019, 10:42pm PDT NEW
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                *snuggie NT by bless me 03/14/2019, 12:06am PDT NEW
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            Everything you just said is lying fake news from the drive by media by Rush Limbaugh 03/14/2019, 3:20pm PDT NEW
        Of course he's completely wrong. A computer system maybe failing sucks but human by error is still the king of crashes. 03/15/2019, 7:01am PDT NEW
        Re: He... may not be completely wrong? by The Happiness Engine 03/15/2019, 9:23am PDT NEW
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