Fight wrote:

Switzerland was a NAZI puppet from square one, THAT'S why it survived so well.
I don't want to give up my right to travel across country or even into another one just so I don't get in trouble when it's time to count the bullets. (honestly though I don't know how that works so if I'm wrong it was just a guess)
Also who DOESN'T agree that proper training will lower the number of accidents with ANYTHING?

And you've proven my point: Socialism CAN'T work without it being practiced by the most willing and cooperative of people. If everyone was like that we wouldn't NEED to give it a fancy name, it would just be that way. It's the same way with communism; both are GREAT on paper, but once you hit the human factor it sinks like things that are designed to sink quickly.

You keep throwing out socialized medicine in Canada as an example, and yes I agree, but they have what? One TENTH the population of the United States? Hell ANY place is better with fewer people. Look at it over in England where they have more of a proper number. Now I agree that it has plenty of good spots: free handles and ramp installation, money for watching a homebound loved one, smaller bills ect. But the QUALITY is so lacking that people have litterally been driven to the poor house going to private doctors that charge 20 times as much just to get some decent care. Ever see Micheal Moore's "TV Nation"? Yes, the American had to pay the most to get his leg fixed, but the Cuban almost LOST his leg to an infection after they set it. (strictly as a quality of service demo I.E. "You get what you pay for," I'm NOT confusing Socialism with Communism)

GREED is a constant in the world, the free market system is just upfront about it; which leads to competition, which leads to lower prices and better service at those prices, which leads to happy pig mascots and stupid commercials. You CAN'T create a socialist paradise unless you found your own country and don't allow anyone else in, the human element renders that impossible, once you let someone else in competition begins and it slides down hill. The natural competition that is in every human works AGAINST the system instead of bolstering it.

And we both see the same sites and we both saw the same Flash cartoon thing and we both read the same articles. I'm just more practical about things (and a worse speller)
Say we DON'T go in guns blazing (which, you can't deny, gains respect among the people of the mid east) and we just set up a small coup that replaces Saddam. Replace him with who? And again: WE facilitated the uprising that put Saddam in power in the first place. So we replace Saddam with wacky lovable local Maddas. Then what?
America is STILL the evil country that put a puppet government in power to control oil. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. With war we at least earn a bit of respect from the barbarians. Four months later Maddas needs someone to blame for his massive failures and reasons to jack up the prices on oil and BOOM. Same place.

And yes people may die in the war. It's a WAR. People USUALLY die in wars. It may seem pointless at this point but...oops, wait a minute...yes they just found four MORE chemical warheads. How long before Saddam declares the US responsible for "planting" the bloody warheads in his backyard and he goes on ANOTHER slow speed chase with the U.N. while sweeping warheads under the rug and yelling "Just a miiiinute" in a high-pitched woman voice to the inspectors knocking at the door?