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by Bodybag 01/20/2003, 8:09pm PST |
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World Affairs Correspondent Zseni wrote:
And I'm the worst, actually, because despite the training and expertise and pained grimaces I produce, despite the letters to senators and angry rhetoric lambasting the Rushes of the country, despite the harrowing I put everyone else's reasoning through: I am not instigating the rebellion that I should instigate. When I let Iraqis die it's not even for their oil, which I have very little use for: it's only so I can continue on in my daily life unbroken.
What I want to do, and what, I think, must be done - eventually - is to rebel and revolt and remake. Indeed I would be satisfied to up voter turnout to, say, 60%, which is at least a fractional revolution. But I have anime to download.
Is this not unbearable hypocrisy? Who among you can claim to be fully free of it? Why aren't we all more enraged about it? It's unnatural.
There's plenty of folks in the "pro-war" crowd who fall into the same category; they'd like nothing more than to see Iraq blown into the wolrd's largest unpolished ashtray...just don't expect them to enlist and catch the next C130 to Baghdad. For a while I seriously wrestled with the idea of signing up for service, likely to fill that emotional hole of post-9/11 helplessness most of us mistook for a sense of duty. Part of me still wants to serve, to do something; but there's a few too many moral and ideological discrepancies that I have with serving ANY government's military that would have me go off somewhere and kill folks. They have people who don't have those qualms, I'll just have to let them be the difference...and who knows, I could actually be participating via SKO Ender's Game-esque interface everytime I boot up Counter-Strike. I just pity all those poor GIGN operatives that sailed to their dooms over the edge of de_Highrise. Sorry, mates, it was supposed to be a game.
Back to the war, I have a very similar view to SB, I'm defiantely for regime change, and I'd rather not see, in all honesty, full-scale war. Well, I mean the little sadist that lives in my penis really digs all that CNN footage, and I full-on get the war-chubby when the DC shows those Weapons of War doccumentaries, but I'm not totally sure the ends justify the means. Who knows, maybe(and this is probably the unlikeliest scenario present), just maybe he WILL be exiled. I'm sure everyone has an opinion on this, feel free to slap it around, but it IS possible. I'm gonna go ahead and put my neck even further on the chopping block here...I think war is NOT a foregone conclusion at this point. Every sign points to it, yes. We are certainly willing and absofuckinglutely able to go in there and fuck him up six days from tuesday.(hey, that actually fits). But to me, in reading the paper and watching the news and reading you folk's discussions, it seems just as much as posturing and negotiation as it does the initiative phase of Battletech.
Now there's no guarantee that the vaccum of power would be filled responsibly without some kind of occupation or force, and that isn't going to be much more popular with the locals or anyone in the Middle East, sans Isreal. And then what? asuming he DOES leave and we DO replace him with a more "western-friendly" regime, we are faced with possibly installing another Islamic gov't, however the fuck that works. They'll deal with us because we liberated them, but they'll still funnel money to suicide bombers(see:Kuwait). Fuck, HAMAS and Hezbollah have already fucking pledged to get involved if we occupy Iraq, and they fucking hate Saddam. Well, they hate the whole secular-rule thing, they don't mind the training, money, and fucking explosives they get from him.
Damned if we do, damned if we don't. I wish there was some sort of a model of a better time to compare to the shit-pile we're in now. Islam has hated the West since the Crusades(thanks, England!), and as long as the church is the ultimate authority over there, no policy is going to guarantee security for us infidels. Mark Bowden, the guy who wrote Black Hawk Down, cited that incident, the subsequent shift in our foriegn policy, and the even-more-subsequenter perception of our resolve by those who would harm us as precursors to 9/11. Sure, it's just a theory, it could just as easily been elves n' shit, but I think he's got a point. We get a black eye and run. Lobbing cruise-missles and calling airstrikes, according to Bowden, made us seem vulnerable to to al-Quaeda, and he seemed to think that this perception lead directly to the emabssy bombing, the USS Cole, and 9/11. Of course, invading an arab country isn't going to reverse anti-American sentiment abroad, but it does let those terrorist cells know we mean business. And that's our curren policy, the "War on Terror". Those three attacks I've cited all occured before we shifted to this more aggressive stance. I know a good bit of folks feel that the Bush administration is only going to invite more attacks on US soil and interests, but so far, so good(*knock*).
IS Saddam a bigger threat to the US,(or the world for that matter) than Korea? After all, TEH GOOKS HAVE TEH NUKES. And that's some hairy shit over there, I'm well aware of it...but still I feel, and I have history on my side here, that this is just how those dirty slopes negotiate. Has no SANE person out there questioned the fucking TIMING of this whole debacle with Korea? It's no accident. They know the world sees them pointing the gun at Japan, SK and...well, I guess coastal Alaska, all while we're saying Saddam has a gun hidden...somewhere. They know this will(and has) eroded global support for any military action in Iraq. Thye feel this backs us in a corner to where we have to focus on negotiations with them, rather than build up steam rolling over the 1st of 3 evil axis powers. Who knows, they might really be retarded and think we really would launch a pre-emptive nuke at them...in fucking driving distance from China. I don't buy it, its likely more posturing. They know a UN resolution will be FAR easier to pass over in N.Korea than the tinderbox that is the Middle East. At least I hope they know. What chaps my hide is those fucking wishy-washy South Koreans and the fucking chinks. Either stick to your fucking "Sunshine Policy" guns or get fucking serious and condemn their actions. Tread that line much longer and you do no one any good, dummies.
We threaten to topple Iraq's despised regime through military force and the outcry is heard around the fucking world, notably here at home.
Korea threatens essentially EVERYONE in fucking SE Asia WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS. I heard yesterday that Chirac said the UN should take action. DON'T EVERYONE GET UP AT ONCE. Sure, sure, its the USA's fucking problem, chalk up yet another diplomatic blunder for "W". Then, if you are so inclined, read up on that No-Dong missile and its range. The people it can reach need to fucking wake the fuck up and contribute a little more effort than chanting anti-US slogans. God forbid we actually listen to them and pack up and leave.
So yeah, I'm sorta leaning towards war, if it comes down to it.
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I feel like starting a fight by Senor Barborito 01/19/2003, 6:46am PST
Scott Ritter by Colonel K 01/19/2003, 8:16am PST
Re: Scott Ritter by Senor Barborito 01/19/2003, 9:29am PST
Re: Scott Ritter by Diotallevi 01/20/2003, 8:16pm PST
Re: Scott Ritter by Senor Barborito 01/21/2003, 3:42am PST
North Korea by Zseni 01/21/2003, 10:47am PST
Re: North Korea by Jhoh Creexul 01/22/2003, 12:53am PST
Re: Scott Ritter by Diotallevi 01/23/2003, 10:00pm PST
Re: I feel like starting a fight by Cantor 01/19/2003, 12:33pm PST
Re: I feel like starting a fight by Senor Barborito 01/19/2003, 2:03pm PST
Re: I feel like starting a fight by Fight 01/19/2003, 4:06pm PST
Re: I feel like starting a fight by CrackerBarrel 01/19/2003, 4:37pm PST
Dear Assumptive Idiot by Senor Barborito 01/19/2003, 4:43pm PST
So by "I feel like starting a fight" You meant "Suck my cock or you're an idiot" by Fight 01/19/2003, 6:34pm PST
Oh man I so knew you were the fucking janitor -nt- NT by motherhead 01/19/2003, 7:54pm PST
Yeah, good call, M-head by ToutSuite 01/20/2003, 1:46pm PST
Re: Oh man I so knew you were the fucking janitor -nt- by Bill Dungsroman 01/21/2003, 12:53pm PST
More Janitor sightings by Motherhead 01/21/2003, 10:26pm PST
Re: More Janitor sightings by the janitor 01/21/2003, 11:24pm PST
You owe me a beer, I just spit this one up. by Bodybag 01/21/2003, 11:36pm PST
Re: More Janitor sightings by juniorallen 01/22/2003, 9:41am PST
Re: More Janitor sightings by Bill Dungsroman 01/22/2003, 11:50am PST
Re: More Janitor sightings by Fight 01/23/2003, 9:10pm PST
Re: More Janitor sightings by Motherhead 01/24/2003, 4:47am PST
Re: More Janitor sightings by Bill Dungsroman 01/24/2003, 11:38am PST
Re: More Janitor sightings by Fight 01/24/2003, 7:17pm PST
Dear Fight-Who-Is-Not-the-janitor by Bill Dungsroman 01/25/2003, 8:41pm PST
responce is English... by arbit 01/26/2003, 1:11am PST
Clarification for your ass by Senor Barborito 01/25/2003, 10:46pm PST
some help by arbit 01/26/2003, 12:37am PST
Random BOLD text. by Colonel K 01/26/2003, 3:30am PST
Re: Random BOLD text. by Motherhead 01/26/2003, 3:56am PST
Re: Random BOLD text. by Colonel K 01/26/2003, 5:44am PST
Re: Random BOLD text. by FABIO 02/01/2003, 6:33am PST
Re: some help by Senor Barborito 01/26/2003, 10:58am PST
Re: More Janitor sightings by Ray, of Light 01/24/2003, 8:50pm PST
Re: More Janitor sightings by Fight 01/24/2003, 9:03pm PST
Re: More Janitor sightings by Gotta be KD 01/27/2003, 5:29pm PST
No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Senor Barborito 01/19/2003, 8:03pm PST
Here is something. by conflictNo 01/19/2003, 9:35pm PST
North Korea is the license-to-print-money threat of the century. by Fucking Faggot 01/19/2003, 11:36pm PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Fight 01/20/2003, 12:08am PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Motherhead 01/20/2003, 4:04am PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by IMDBMAN 01/20/2003, 10:03pm PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by E. L. Koba 01/20/2003, 11:10pm PST
All movies with Powers Boothe have merit. by Motherhead 01/21/2003, 7:12am PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Senor Barborito 01/20/2003, 4:31am PST
completely unrelated shit by Motherhead 01/20/2003, 4:57am PST
Re: completely unrelated shit by Senor Barborito 01/20/2003, 9:09am PST
Re: completely unrelated shit by Motherhead 01/20/2003, 12:28pm PST
Re: completely unrelated shit by Senor Barborito 01/20/2003, 3:18pm PST
Re: completely unrelated shit by Motherhead 01/20/2003, 3:50pm PST
Re: completely unrelated shit by E. L. Koba 01/22/2003, 1:04am PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Fight 01/20/2003, 5:33am PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Senor Barborito 01/20/2003, 6:44am PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Diotallevi 01/20/2003, 10:13pm PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Senor Barborito 01/21/2003, 4:30am PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by E. L. Koba 01/21/2003, 11:10pm PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Senor Barborito 01/22/2003, 7:16am PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Bodybag 01/23/2003, 4:19am PST
Also good for body count: a Dwayne Hicks-like "FORGET HIM, HE'S GONE" (nt) by creativepig 01/23/2003, 7:42am PST
zero-sum by Ray, of Light 01/22/2003, 12:28am PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Diotallevi 01/23/2003, 10:20pm PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Diotallevi 01/20/2003, 9:24pm PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Senor Barborito 01/21/2003, 4:54am PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by E. L. Koba 01/22/2003, 1:23am PST
I was mistaken, thank you -nt- by Senor Barborito 01/22/2003, 7:18am PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Diotallevi 01/23/2003, 10:24pm PST
Also by Diotallevi 01/20/2003, 9:52pm PST
Re: Also by Senor Barborito 01/21/2003, 4:42am PST
Re: Also by Diotallevi 01/23/2003, 10:45pm PST
Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Gotta Be KD 01/21/2003, 3:55am PST
Re: Dear Assumptive Idiot by Diotallevi 01/20/2003, 9:44pm PST
Re: Dear Assumptive Idiot by Old Post Fighter 06/22/2021, 4:23pm PDT
Re: I feel like starting a fight by Motherhead 01/19/2003, 4:43pm PST
Re: socialized medicine in Canada by Senor Barborito 01/19/2003, 4:57pm PST
Link by Senor Barborito 01/19/2003, 5:35pm PST
Re: socialized medicine in Canada by Motherhead 01/19/2003, 6:38pm PST
Re: I feel like starting a fight by Ray, of Light 01/19/2003, 5:19pm PST
Re: I feel like starting a fight by Senor Barborito 01/19/2003, 5:46pm PST
Re: I feel like starting a fight by Jhoh Creexul 01/19/2003, 6:30pm PST
Live from Ethniclistan by World Affairs Correspondent Zseni 01/19/2003, 6:08pm PST
Re: Live from Ethniclistan by mrs. johnson 01/19/2003, 7:35pm PST
Re: Live from Ethniclistan by Kree 01/20/2003, 10:00am PST
Re: Live from Ethniclistan by Senor Barborito 01/20/2003, 10:19am PST
Here's my chance to be the Harriet Tubbman of nerds (nt) NT by creativepig 01/20/2003, 3:54pm PST
OK so you marry veronica and then divorce and she marries me -NT- by Senor Barborito 01/20/2003, 4:03pm PST
Re: Live from Ethniclistan by Ray, of Light 01/20/2003, 6:04pm PST
Re: Live from Ethniclistan by mrs. johnson 01/20/2003, 6:15pm PST
Re: Live from Ethniclistan by Motherhead 01/20/2003, 6:46pm PST
War or Pandemic? Can't it be both? n/T NT by mrs. johnson 01/20/2003, 7:09pm PST
Not when you are dividing the aftermath amonst the illuminati by Motherhead 01/21/2003, 5:13am PST
Re: Live from Ethniclistan by Ray, of Light 01/20/2003, 7:16pm PST
Re: Live from Ethniclistan by Ray, of Light 01/20/2003, 12:57am PST
PS: Fuck you for making me stay to write this. by Zseni 01/20/2003, 10:35am PST
I'll wait -nt- by Ray, of Light 01/20/2003, 1:01pm PST
Re: PS: Fuck you for making me stay to write this. by laudablepuss 01/20/2003, 4:09pm PST
Fuck that stupid cunt. The next one will stay the fuck out of the street. by Bodybag 01/20/2003, 8:09pm PST
Part Two by Zseni 01/20/2003, 7:50pm PST
Re: Part Two by Ray, of Light 01/20/2003, 9:46pm PST
Re: Part Two by Zseni 01/21/2003, 10:36am PST
Re: Part Two by Ray, of Light 01/21/2003, 6:03pm PST
How many times do we have to make these mistakes before... by Zseni 01/22/2003, 12:46pm PST
A: at least a few, but fewer than you think by Ray, of Light 01/22/2003, 9:26pm PST
Because nothing says loving like following the conversational drift. by Zseni 01/22/2003, 11:08pm PST
I feel like ending a fight by Ray, of Light 01/23/2003, 7:40pm PST
Re: Because nothing says loving like following the conversational drift. by Diotallevi 01/30/2003, 11:13pm PST
Car Stuff feat. Gay Chemistry & Elementary Fluid Mechanics by creativepig 01/23/2003, 8:06am PST
Re: Car Stuff feat. Gay Chemistry & Elementary Fluid Mechanics by Ray, of Light 01/23/2003, 7:59pm PST
I've got a Chevy with a Mopar cam. by Fussbett 01/23/2003, 10:34pm PST
Re: I've got a Chevy with a Mopar cam. by Kimberly Scott 01/12/2022, 12:46am PST
DUDE SIGN ME UP FOR SOME OF THAT! NT by Leisuretown 01/14/2022, 4:54am PST
KNEEL BEFORE ZEOLITE! by Entropy Stew 01/24/2003, 2:13am PST
Re: KNEEL BEFORE ZEOLITE! by The regretful proxy 01/24/2003, 2:55am PST
Motherfuck by Entropy Stew 01/24/2003, 3:09am PST
Re: KNEEL BEFORE ZEOLITE! by Stacy Collins 11/04/2021, 8:34am PDT
Re: How many times do we have to make these mistakes before... by Diotallevi 01/30/2003, 10:32pm PST
Re: How many times do we have to make these mistakes before... by E. L. Koba 01/31/2003, 2:48am PST
Re: Part Two by Bodybag 01/21/2003, 7:04pm PST
what I don't like about your plan by spelling fag 01/21/2003, 10:48pm PST
Re: Part Two by Diotallevi 01/30/2003, 10:17pm PST
Re: Live from Ethniclistan by Diotallevi 01/30/2003, 9:15pm PST
Bob McNamara Lives! by ToutSuite 01/20/2003, 5:05pm PST
Re: Bob McNamara Lives! by Ray, of Light 01/20/2003, 7:39pm PST
Um... by ToutSuite 01/20/2003, 7:48pm PST
Re: Um... by Ray, of Light 01/20/2003, 8:17pm PST
Well, then I'll spell it out for you by ToutSuite 01/20/2003, 8:46pm PST
Re: Well, then I'll spell it out for you by Ray, of Light 01/20/2003, 10:56pm PST
Thanks for all the guesses, but I'll speak for myself by ToutSuite 01/21/2003, 12:47am PST
Re: Thanks for all the guesses, but I'll speak for myself by Lufteufel 01/21/2003, 1:34am PST
Re: Thanks for all the guesses, but I'll speak for myself by ToutSuite 01/21/2003, 2:44am PST
Re: Thanks for all the guesses, but I'll speak for myself by Diotallevi 01/30/2003, 5:11pm PST
Re: Thanks for all the guesses, but I'll speak for myself by Ray, of Light 01/21/2003, 10:53am PST
Sounds GREAT!! by ToutSuite 01/22/2003, 2:14am PST
Re: Sounds GREAT!! by Ray, of Light 01/22/2003, 10:29am PST
Re: I feel like starting a fight by Diotallevi 01/20/2003, 9:14pm PST
Re: I feel like starting a fight by conflictNo 01/20/2003, 10:12pm PST
Re: I feel like starting a fight by Senor Barborito 01/21/2003, 1:23am PST
But Kissinger wears glasses! You can't hate a guy with glasses. n/T NT by mrs. johnson 01/21/2003, 1:52am PST
Re: I feel like starting a fight by Diotallevi 01/23/2003, 10:50pm PST
Re: I feel like starting a fight by Jhoh Creexul 01/19/2003, 8:11pm PST
Nice thread, BTW(NT) by Bodybag 01/22/2003, 12:13am PST
My post is obviously the best, of course. (nt) by Jhoh Creexul 01/22/2003, 4:51am PST
Many legends in this thread. NT by Horus Truthteller 01/12/2022, 11:52am PST
Sadly they all promised not to help against Thanos so . . . NT by laudablepuss 01/12/2022, 3:19pm PST
XYBERHUGE -nt- NT by Entropy Stew 01/31/2003, 1:24am PST
WAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Jhoh Creexul SUPER GAYAN 01/31/2003, 7:45pm PST
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