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Kirk = WWII submarine captain. Picard = 1980s school principal by blackwater 09/23/2024, 7:43pm PDT
A big part of the dynamic of the original show was the bro dynamic between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. You could sort of imagine them having a beer together.

The bridge on TNG just had a totally different dynamic. Picard was aloof, authoritative. He did have romantic relationships (and sometimes emotional outbursts) but it was really very different than how Kirk handled things.

Roddenberry had a major influence but the show was bigger than just him.

Fun fact: Roddenberry originally intended the Ferengis to be fearsome villains.

Memory Alpha wrote:

One influence on the Ferengi was what Herb Wright described as Gene Roddenberry's "sex fetish." In early first season discussions between them about developing the Ferengi, Roddenberry let Wright know it was his intention to make the species well-endowed. "He wanted to put a gigantic codpiece on the Ferengi," Wright stated. "He spent 25 minutes explaining to me all the sexual positions the Ferengi could go through. I finally said, 'Gene, this is a family show, on at 7:00 on Saturdays. He finally said, 'Okay, you're right.'" (Cinefantastique, Vol. 23, No. 2/3, pp. 60-61) With Roddenberry's approval, the development of the new species got underway. (Star Trek: The Next Generation 365, p. 36)

The word "Ferengi" was derived from the Arabic and Persian word faranji (written ?????), which meant "frank", as in the Frankish/European traders who made contact with Arabic traders; the word later came to mean "foreigner" in general, though in modern Arabic, it is generally restricted to the meaning "European". Thus, Robert Hewitt Wolfe stated, "Ferengi is, after all, the Persian word for foreigner, particularly for European." (Cinefantastique, Vol. 27, No. 4/5, p. 114)

The Ferengi were imagined as being so fearsome that they are referred to, in TNG pilot "Encounter at Farpoint", as having eaten their previous business associates. (The Art of Star Trek, p. 94) This stemmed from an attempt to make them seem "more dangerous", though Wright worried this level of disgust would distract from the larger relatable moral issues of greed they were supposed to embody. (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 1, Issue 17, pp. 30-32)


But this didn't work out.

Memory Alpha wrote:

Additionally, Shimerman admitted, "It's one of the great disappointments of my life that it didn't flesh out to be exactly what Gene Roddenberry had wanted it to be." (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 2, Issue 12, p. 54) Behr proclaimed, "Was there ever an alien race on Star Trek that did not work more than the Ferengi when they were introduced? It was a disaster." ("Quark's Story", DS9 Season 2 DVD special features) He elaborated, "I think I'm not saying anything out of school by telling you that the idea of lethal Ferengi was kind of a bust. The Ferengi are not the Klingons or the Romulans. They were minor villians at best." (AOL chat, 1997) Likewise, Wil Wheaton has stated that the Ferengi were "probably the lamest enemy ever introduced in the history of television." [3] Maurice Hurley critiqued, "The Ferengi were just terrible. They were like pests. It was like making a villain out of a housefly." (Cinefantastique, Vol. 21, No. 2, p. 27) Hurley criticized further, "I still think the Ferengi were a waste of time. Goofy. No bushido involved; it was a joke. We had these arguments from the beginning. I was the lone voice screaming in the wilderness. If somebody's interested in gold, they're not much of an adversary. If we can make gold in our replicator–and we can–then it's like sand at the beach in Santa Monica. Who cares? Give 'em all the sand that they want. Get them out of here. They want gold? Here, take a truck load and get out." (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages, pp. 158 & 160) Rick Berman concurred that the Ferengi didn't "measure-up to the level of villainy intended." (Cinefantastique, Vol. 21, No. 2, p. 35) In fact, he believed they had a high "silliness quotient" so they were a "disappointment as a major adversary." (Star Trek: The Next Generation Companion, 3rd ed., p. 41) On the other hand, Producer Robert H. Justman thought the Ferengi worked best when they were first introduced. (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 2, Issue 12, p. 21) Michael Piller remarked, "There's a big difference of opinion about the Ferengi." (Cinefantastique, Vol. 21, No. 2, p. 35) Nonetheless, TNG's audience was uninterested in the notion of Picard regularly having confrontations with a race of cutthroat capitalists. (Star Trek: The Next Generation 365, p. 36)


At least they had the right attitude towards women, though.

Memory Alpha wrote:

Ferengi women were referred to as "females." They were barred from most aspects of society, such as not being allowed to earn profit or to travel. Neither were they allowed to learn how to read. (DS9: "Rules of Acquisition") They were not even allowed to wear clothes and were expected to be undressed at all times, to the point where while a Ferengi male would consider clothed alien women to be normal, the thought of their own mother wearing clothes would make them uncomfortable. "Thinking about things", as Quark once put it, was neither something expected nor desired of females. Neither was having opinions or political views. They further were not allowed to have any claim to the estate of a husband should the marriage end, as all females were generally required to sign a Waiver of Property and Profit, giving up any such claim. (DS9: "Ferengi Love Songs")

If a woman was caught earning profit, she was forced to give back all she had earned and either sign a confession, admitting the error of her ways, or be sold to indentured servitude if she refused. Her male relatives would then have to make restitution. A woman's oldest male relative was considered to be legally in control of her and thus responsible for her actions, such as her husband or the oldest son. (DS9: "Family Business")

Marriage, like everything else in Ferengi culture, was a business contract, signed between the prospective groom and the bride's father, in which the father leased his daughter to the groom for a set period (usually five years) for an agreed fee, paid on the birth of a son. (DS9: "Doctor Bashir, I Presume") Pregnancies were considered rentals under Ferengi law, with the father being the lessee. (DS9: "Nor the Battle to the Strong")

As described by Quark, in a marriage "on the Ferengi homeworld, husbands and wives never argue. There's no divorce, no broken homes – nothing but peaceful, conjugal bliss." (DS9: "Fascination")

In addition to being forbidden to earn profit and own property, Ferengi females were not allowed to wear clothes, leave their homes without male escort, or speak to males they were not related to. Their role as caregiver to the male children of a family was strictly defined. Mothers were expected to teach their children the Rules of Acquisition (and as they themselves were not allowed to read meant they had to know the Rules by heart), and to soften their male children's food by chewing it for them. (TNG: "The Last Outpost", "Ménage à Troi"; DS9: "Life Support", "Family Business") Because of this, Ferengi males were often very protective and loving of their mothers, and this was even reflected in the Rules of Acquisition; Rule 31 was "Never make fun of a Ferengi's Mother." (DS9: "The Siege")


This is CANON, people! (which they later changed, lol)
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Changeling by pinback 09/22/2024, 5:36am PDT NEW
    Thank you for this deep dive. by Mysterio 09/22/2024, 8:54pm PDT NEW
    You should do Insurrection next. by Blackwater 09/22/2024, 9:14pm PDT NEW
    Re: Changeling by laudablepuss 09/22/2024, 10:18pm PDT NEW
        Oh yeah by laudablepuss 09/22/2024, 10:25pm PDT NEW
            “Kirk and Picard were the same guy” is a hell of a take by Blackwater 09/23/2024, 12:48am PDT NEW
                Re: “Kirk and Picard were the same guy” is a hell of a take by laudablepuss 09/23/2024, 5:51am PDT NEW
                    Kirk = WWII submarine captain. Picard = 1980s school principal by blackwater 09/23/2024, 7:43pm PDT NEW
                        The question is are you inclucing TNG movie Picard? Star Trek: Picard Picard? by All 3 are very different. 09/23/2024, 8:02pm PDT NEW
                            Don’t you dare bring up anything from after 2001. by Blackwater 09/23/2024, 8:12pm PDT NEW
                        No, and yes (re: Ferengi) by laudablepuss 09/23/2024, 8:25pm PDT NEW
                            Also this guy by laudablepuss 09/23/2024, 8:32pm PDT NEW
            I disagree with your take that everyone else also disagrees with. by pinback 09/23/2024, 6:15am PDT NEW
                Re: I disagree with your take that everyone else also disagrees with. by laudablepuss 09/23/2024, 6:30am PDT NEW
                    I don't know what I meant. I just think of Picard as far more professional and NT by "Captain-y". 09/23/2024, 8:05am PDT NEW
                        I am arguing, this is an entirely false impression NT by laudablepuss 09/23/2024, 8:25am PDT NEW
                            I think Kirk, Picard (and Pike) listening to their crew and making decisions aft by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/23/2024, 9:30am PDT NEW
        You're in your 70s? NT by pinback 09/23/2024, 6:12am PDT NEW
            Oh no. Reading is hard. I read that as TNG, not TOS. Derp. by laudablepuss 09/23/2024, 6:31am PDT NEW
                My eyesight is in its 70s anyway :( NT by laudablepuss 09/23/2024, 6:41am PDT NEW
                I am three years older than you. by pinback 09/23/2024, 8:04am PDT NEW
                    Re: I am three years older than you. by laudablepuss 09/23/2024, 8:23am PDT NEW
 
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