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Re: You're not much of anything by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 5:47am PST
I need clarification wrote:

Senor Barborito wrote:

Fussbett wrote:

Senor Barborito wrote:

I'm not exactly a fan of Carmack, but I do find the stuff he does for rocketry extremely interesting.

But revolutionizing computer gaming and pioneering aspects of 3D realtime graphics programming is not interesting? To a fellow programmer?!


99% of what Carmack does is simply optimize the obvious path in current state-of-the-art. He's the God of clean implementation and finding local optima, to roughly quote one of his peers, but that's really about it. People ascribe to him a sort of mythical transcendent genius that quite simply doesn't fit the person. I mean, yes his work defines top-notch. But frankly the most *truly* revolutionary thing he developed was Commander Keen, oddly enough. Almost everything else has been largely amazing implementation from Doom on out to Quake III (I need to do more reading before I'd be willing to say that about Doom 3, however).

Also, I fucking hate Objectivist wankers.

The rocketry stuff he's doing is really, truly interesting for me to read about and I think might really put his name in the history books.

--SB


Uh... what? Carmack's reverse (we're still waiting on SB's Reverse, I guess...)? Client-side prediction for multiplayer? Multi-texturing in a game engine? In-game command modules for 3d-hardware accelerated games? Mods? You can claim these technologies would have come along with or without him, but the truth of the matter is he was the one putting them in, driving the tech, pushing the hardware manufacturers (and Microsoft's DirectX group) in these directions.

Jesus Christ, the entire real-time 3D PC (and console) games industry has been so wholly shaped by this guy (both in software and hardware) that it's hard to find an area he hasn't influenced, or had a direct hand in developing. I'm not saying the guy's a god, but to dismiss him as a competent implementer would be an insult, if it weren't more revealing of the ignorance of the person making the characterization.


Maybe it's just me, but "First guy to take an algorithm out of the journals and throw it in a game" doesn't strike me as a Holy Shit! kind of thing.
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Carmack's 'rocket' by Senor Barborito 02/05/2003, 5:41am PST NEW
    Re: Carmack's 'rocket' by Mischief Maker 02/05/2003, 11:58am PST NEW
    Sheesh by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 12:01am PST NEW
        Re: Sheesh by Cyrris 02/09/2003, 1:26am PST NEW
            That's telling me by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 2:11am PST NEW
        Well by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 6:06am PST NEW
    I don't get it! by Fussbett 02/09/2003, 1:11am PST NEW
        He's jealous. Duh. -nt- NT by Entropy Stew 02/09/2003, 3:22am PST NEW
        I'm not much of a programmer by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 4:58am PST NEW
            You're not much of anything by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 5:32am PST NEW
                Re: You're not much of anything by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 5:47am PST NEW
                    Re: You're not much of anything by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 6:29am PST NEW
                That's better than being unable to read by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 5:49am PST NEW
                    Also question for the moron by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 5:56am PST NEW
                        Oh, stop with the pretending you know math, already. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 6:32am PST NEW
                    "You can't read." Brilliant. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 6:28am PST NEW
                        Better than anything you've posted to the site, at least by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 12:43pm PST NEW
                            Holy crap, it just occurred to me. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 2:31pm PST NEW
                                PS: by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 2:49pm PST NEW
                                    Hahahaha by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 3:18pm PST NEW
                                Thank you for proving my point. by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 3:17pm PST NEW
                                Tsk tsk, and you were almost making sense up until that point by Entropy Stew 02/09/2003, 4:55pm PST NEW
                                    You're both right and wrong. by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 5:45pm PST NEW
                                        Carmack: History's rocketeer or programmer? by Fussbett 02/09/2003, 6:08pm PST NEW
                                            Presumably by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 6:18pm PST NEW
                                        Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 6:16pm PST NEW
                                            Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 7:10pm PST NEW
                                            Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 7:13pm PST NEW
                                                Hell by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 8:51pm PST NEW
                                                    Also by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 8:58pm PST NEW
                                                        Hold up by mark 02/09/2003, 9:19pm PST NEW
                                                    Re: Hell by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 11:48pm PST NEW
                                                        Re: Hell by Senor Barborito 02/10/2003, 12:07am PST NEW
                                                            Re: Hell by Zebco Fuckface 02/11/2003, 7:08am PST NEW
                                            Lot of network talk over the past few days .. by bastage 02/09/2003, 7:48pm PST NEW
                                                Re: Lot of network talk over the past few days .. by Lufteufel 02/09/2003, 10:07pm PST NEW
                                                    Quake 1: 250-350ms ping over modem. Those were the days n/t NT by <-Nordic-> 02/11/2003, 9:48pm PST NEW
                                            Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by mark 02/09/2003, 9:43pm PST NEW
                                                Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 9:59pm PST NEW
                                                oops, should have read this first re: carmack [nt] NT by Lufteufel 02/09/2003, 10:08pm PST NEW
                                            Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Mysterio 11/23/2013, 6:46am PST NEW
                                                Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by col.schickn 11/23/2013, 8:38am PST NEW
                                        This post should be stickied forever by This is what futurists actually bel 08/07/2017, 10:55am PDT NEW
                                            Long bets, and the futurists that love them NT by Voxels vs V-2s 08/07/2017, 3:00pm PDT NEW
                                            Rocket, stealing porn goggle tech, Futurism isn't an 'exact' science. NT by The Happiness Engine 08/08/2017, 6:26pm PDT NEW
                                    Yeah, exactly. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 8:57pm PST NEW
                        A quick literature search by mark 02/09/2003, 1:26pm PST NEW
                            Thank you - this was exactly my point by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 1:49pm PST NEW
                    Re: That's better than being unable to read by Fat Autistic Fuck 06/11/2022, 12:27pm PDT NEW
            Re: I'm not much of a programmer by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 5:46am PST NEW
                Yeah, me too!! by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 6:19am PST NEW
            Re: I'm not much of a programmer by fanclub 02/10/2003, 4:36pm PST NEW
                You're right by Senor Barborito 02/10/2003, 4:45pm PST NEW
                    But I thought you wanted to weed out the imperfect... -nt- NT by Entropy Stew 02/11/2003, 1:28am PST NEW
    This whole thing. Bump. NT by Mysterio 11/22/2013, 4:57pm PST NEW
        I was going to snicker at the prediction of Doom 3 revolutionizing the industry by Lemoney Snick 11/22/2013, 7:55pm PST NEW
            Look, the technology was ready, but he was afraid he'd open a portal to hell by blackwater 11/22/2013, 10:20pm PST NEW
 
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