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Better than anything you've posted to the site, at least by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 12:43pm PST
I need clarification wrote:

I'm not very stupid, thanks for asking.


I wasn't really asking.

You say "taking abstract ideas and applying them to a real-time game engine" like it's something anyone could have done if they cared enough. What's your definition of innovation? Wasn't pretty much EVERYTHING an abstract idea at one time or another before someone "implemented" it, from the PC to the Internet to lousy message board code?


It's one thing to come up with an algorithm for which there is no precedent. It's another thing to have written an implementation that forwards the industry for which there are already a) existing papers with algorithms or b) existing technology demonstrations. Depending on the exact nature of his role in Carmack's Reverse Doom 3 may or may not have been the first time since Keen he's seriously pulled off the former. I haven't suggested anything else at any time.

How the hell was BSP not revolutionary for its time? Because sooner or later it would have been invented anyway? Does that mean if and when time travel is invented, the guy will be considered a fucking implementer of BINRO'S THEORY?


Because there were existing papers on the topic according to him?

You're arguing semantics here, when the fact is that Doom, Quake, Quake II, Quake 3A, and by ALL indications Doom III have advanced real-time 3D gaming exponentially.


Exponentially in terms of implementation. Have they included completely 'new' ideas in them? No. Least of all Quake 3.

The first article on the front page of this ridiculous site is a review of a MOD of a game built directly from Carmack's code. Understand?


That's a nice way to try and change the subject, Mr. Fundamentally Wrong. I said something, you tried to show me up and only demonstrated your inability to read to the world. Now you try and dodge. Seriously here, jackass you're showing yourself to be more pathetic than me and that's pretty fucking sad.

The entire industry moves forward every time Carmack releases a new engine,
No shit, I never said otherwise.
so how is it exactly that everyone would be arriving at the same place if he weren't around? It doesn't hold water, you know it doesn't hold water, and your ridiculous attempts to refute my argument by asking me what I do for a living shows you've given up already.


Actually, no, I just figured if you were going to start with the personal bullshit you could at least try and give the appearance of having a pair and not fight from a position where I have nothing on you but you've got everything on me.

And you still haven't countered my fundamental point even once, even a tiny bit - and that point is that with the exception of Keen and possibly Doom 3, Carmack has only created excellent implementations of existing ideas. That's what I said from the beginning, it's still true, and you've yet to demonstrate it otherwise.

You've lost. Now shut up.
--SB
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Carmack's 'rocket' by Senor Barborito 02/05/2003, 5:41am PST NEW
    Re: Carmack's 'rocket' by Mischief Maker 02/05/2003, 11:58am PST NEW
    Sheesh by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 12:01am PST NEW
        Re: Sheesh by Cyrris 02/09/2003, 1:26am PST NEW
            That's telling me by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 2:11am PST NEW
        Well by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 6:06am PST NEW
    I don't get it! by Fussbett 02/09/2003, 1:11am PST NEW
        He's jealous. Duh. -nt- NT by Entropy Stew 02/09/2003, 3:22am PST NEW
        I'm not much of a programmer by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 4:58am PST NEW
            You're not much of anything by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 5:32am PST NEW
                Re: You're not much of anything by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 5:47am PST NEW
                    Re: You're not much of anything by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 6:29am PST NEW
                That's better than being unable to read by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 5:49am PST NEW
                    Also question for the moron by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 5:56am PST NEW
                        Oh, stop with the pretending you know math, already. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 6:32am PST NEW
                    "You can't read." Brilliant. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 6:28am PST NEW
                        Better than anything you've posted to the site, at least by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 12:43pm PST NEW
                            Holy crap, it just occurred to me. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 2:31pm PST NEW
                                PS: by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 2:49pm PST NEW
                                    Hahahaha by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 3:18pm PST NEW
                                Thank you for proving my point. by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 3:17pm PST NEW
                                Tsk tsk, and you were almost making sense up until that point by Entropy Stew 02/09/2003, 4:55pm PST NEW
                                    You're both right and wrong. by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 5:45pm PST NEW
                                        Carmack: History's rocketeer or programmer? by Fussbett 02/09/2003, 6:08pm PST NEW
                                            Presumably by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 6:18pm PST NEW
                                        Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 6:16pm PST NEW
                                            Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 7:10pm PST NEW
                                            Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 7:13pm PST NEW
                                                Hell by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 8:51pm PST NEW
                                                    Also by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 8:58pm PST NEW
                                                        Hold up by mark 02/09/2003, 9:19pm PST NEW
                                                    Re: Hell by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 11:48pm PST NEW
                                                        Re: Hell by Senor Barborito 02/10/2003, 12:07am PST NEW
                                                            Re: Hell by Zebco Fuckface 02/11/2003, 7:08am PST NEW
                                            Lot of network talk over the past few days .. by bastage 02/09/2003, 7:48pm PST NEW
                                                Re: Lot of network talk over the past few days .. by Lufteufel 02/09/2003, 10:07pm PST NEW
                                                    Quake 1: 250-350ms ping over modem. Those were the days n/t NT by <-Nordic-> 02/11/2003, 9:48pm PST NEW
                                            Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by mark 02/09/2003, 9:43pm PST NEW
                                                Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 9:59pm PST NEW
                                                oops, should have read this first re: carmack [nt] NT by Lufteufel 02/09/2003, 10:08pm PST NEW
                                            Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by Mysterio 11/23/2013, 6:46am PST NEW
                                                Re: Also some anecdotal failures on these topics by col.schickn 11/23/2013, 8:38am PST NEW
                                        This post should be stickied forever by This is what futurists actually bel 08/07/2017, 10:55am PDT NEW
                                            Long bets, and the futurists that love them NT by Voxels vs V-2s 08/07/2017, 3:00pm PDT NEW
                                            Rocket, stealing porn goggle tech, Futurism isn't an 'exact' science. NT by The Happiness Engine 08/08/2017, 6:26pm PDT NEW
                                    Yeah, exactly. by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 8:57pm PST NEW
                        A quick literature search by mark 02/09/2003, 1:26pm PST NEW
                            Thank you - this was exactly my point by Senor Barborito 02/09/2003, 1:49pm PST NEW
                    Re: That's better than being unable to read by Fat Autistic Fuck 06/11/2022, 12:27pm PDT NEW
            Re: I'm not much of a programmer by Zebco Fuckface 02/09/2003, 5:46am PST NEW
                Yeah, me too!! by I need clarification 02/09/2003, 6:19am PST NEW
            Re: I'm not much of a programmer by fanclub 02/10/2003, 4:36pm PST NEW
                You're right by Senor Barborito 02/10/2003, 4:45pm PST NEW
                    But I thought you wanted to weed out the imperfect... -nt- NT by Entropy Stew 02/11/2003, 1:28am PST NEW
    This whole thing. Bump. NT by Mysterio 11/22/2013, 4:57pm PST NEW
        I was going to snicker at the prediction of Doom 3 revolutionizing the industry by Lemoney Snick 11/22/2013, 7:55pm PST NEW
            Look, the technology was ready, but he was afraid he'd open a portal to hell by blackwater 11/22/2013, 10:20pm PST NEW
 
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