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FOF wrote:
Socially, i'm a recluse
what defines punk?
Are you asking about the musical style, or the movement?
I tend to think of punk music as that which comes out of the punk movement. This is probably because I was deeply entrenched in it for a while, and so I see people as being punk, and the music those people create as therefore punk. OK, so I have known punks who created classical or other genres. To me it's still punk because of who it came from. To others, it's not punk, because it's not in the style of punk music.
In my post to ES above, I listed a bunch of different types of punk. I'm terrible at describing nuances; hopefully someone else has a knowledge of punk and can do that. I can just hear it and say, yes this is punk, no this is not punk. I'm not much help here. There are compilations that might be worth your time to check out just to hear the sound (that is, if you don't feel like finding mp3's for the bands I listed above). "Flex Your Head" is a great DC punk compilation, also "Let Them Eat Jelly Beans". I'm sure you could find newer ones.
The punk movement was based around the philosophy DIY, Do It Yourself. Don't like the music that's out there now? Go form your own band. Think that something in the world needs fixing? Go fix it. But don't begrudge others their happiness; don't tell other people how to live. This is why punks believe in anarchy, because they believe people are at least smart enough to be responsible for themselves, and don't like a government telling them how to live (this is nice in theory, I don't believe it in reality). The punk movement has strayed from this philosophy in places. I have seen racist punks, punk who are in it for the clothing and hair, punks who are in it for the music, etc. Punk has always had a sense of humor, until these taking-punk-incorrectly-and-too-seriously fuckwads showed up, and yapped that they know what's it's all about.
The old timers shake their heads. We can't have a slam pit any more, it's all moshing. No one picks each other up, no one does the circle slam thing, people wear spikes into the pit, girls get molested when they stage dive. OK, now I'm just an old punk bitching.
I probably didn't help you at all. I don't know of a technical definition for punk music, because I don't believe that there is one. If it comes from the philosophy, it's punk.
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Wanted: punk recommendations by Entropy Stew 04/03/2003, 4:45pm PST 
I'd suggest starting with Bad Brains and moving forward from there. NT by mark 04/03/2003, 4:54pm PST 
Re: Wanted: punk recommendations by Jhoh Creexul 04/03/2003, 5:09pm PST 
Re: Wanted: punk recommendations by Entropy Stew 04/03/2003, 6:28pm PST 
Wait, isn't that Pipi Longstocking? NT by Senor Barborito 04/03/2003, 6:35pm PST 
Yes. :( by Jhoh Creexul 04/03/2003, 6:37pm PST 
"Fountains of Wayne" is punk, says HMV by Ray, of Light 04/03/2003, 7:25pm PST 
FoW is great, but not punk. by No Pocky For Titties 04/04/2003, 1:46am PST 
Naked Raygun and early Replacements by Alternate789 04/03/2003, 7:26pm PST 
{old shit} Clash, Husker Du and the (holy ghost) Clash NT by Nixon 04/03/2003, 8:49pm PST 
Lard (do they count?), Misfits NT by Mr. Palomar 04/03/2003, 10:25pm PST 
the big list by veronica 04/04/2003, 12:17am PST 
what? no dayglo abortions? NT by mark 04/04/2003, 12:42am PST 
they were ok, I never got into them by veronica 04/04/2003, 1:13am PST 
My ears thank you. Also, everybody else. NT by Entropy Stew 04/04/2003, 4:51pm PST 
So I finally saw Dead Milkmen by Entropy Stew 10/15/2009, 2:19pm PDT 
Also, Minutemen. by No Pocky For Titties 04/04/2003, 1:47am PST 
Musically I'm an idiot.... by FOF 04/05/2003, 11:02am PST 
Re: Musically I'm an idiot.... by veronica 04/05/2003, 3:04pm PST 
How about Jello Biafra + Mojo Nixon "Prairie Home Invasion"? NT by Mr. Palomar 04/05/2003, 3:14pm PST 
"SLC Punk": Good movie. -nt- by Ray, of Light 04/05/2003, 3:44pm PST 
Suburbia (the original) by veronica 04/05/2003, 3:57pm PST 
Dead Kennedys-"Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables" NT by Lizard_King 06/12/2003, 9:36pm PDT 
You bleeding liberal pinko. NT by Fussbett 06/14/2003, 1:31pm PDT 
De-closeted. by Lizard_King 06/14/2003, 1:55pm PDT 
Re: Dead Kennedys-"Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables" by McMoo The AntiDrug Cow 06/18/2003, 4:10pm PDT 
Maybe. I like "Kill the poor". NT by Lizard_King 06/18/2003, 9:28pm PDT 
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