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Re: Musically I'm an idiot.... by veronica 04/05/2003, 3:04pm PST
FOF wrote:

Socially, i'm a recluse

what defines punk?


Are you asking about the musical style, or the movement?

I tend to think of punk music as that which comes out of the punk movement. This is probably because I was deeply entrenched in it for a while, and so I see people as being punk, and the music those people create as therefore punk. OK, so I have known punks who created classical or other genres. To me it's still punk because of who it came from. To others, it's not punk, because it's not in the style of punk music.

In my post to ES above, I listed a bunch of different types of punk. I'm terrible at describing nuances; hopefully someone else has a knowledge of punk and can do that. I can just hear it and say, yes this is punk, no this is not punk. I'm not much help here. There are compilations that might be worth your time to check out just to hear the sound (that is, if you don't feel like finding mp3's for the bands I listed above). "Flex Your Head" is a great DC punk compilation, also "Let Them Eat Jelly Beans". I'm sure you could find newer ones.

The punk movement was based around the philosophy DIY, Do It Yourself. Don't like the music that's out there now? Go form your own band. Think that something in the world needs fixing? Go fix it. But don't begrudge others their happiness; don't tell other people how to live. This is why punks believe in anarchy, because they believe people are at least smart enough to be responsible for themselves, and don't like a government telling them how to live (this is nice in theory, I don't believe it in reality). The punk movement has strayed from this philosophy in places. I have seen racist punks, punk who are in it for the clothing and hair, punks who are in it for the music, etc. Punk has always had a sense of humor, until these taking-punk-incorrectly-and-too-seriously fuckwads showed up, and yapped that they know what's it's all about.

The old timers shake their heads. We can't have a slam pit any more, it's all moshing. No one picks each other up, no one does the circle slam thing, people wear spikes into the pit, girls get molested when they stage dive. OK, now I'm just an old punk bitching.

I probably didn't help you at all. I don't know of a technical definition for punk music, because I don't believe that there is one. If it comes from the philosophy, it's punk.

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Wanted: punk recommendations by Entropy Stew 04/03/2003, 4:45pm PST NEW
    I'd suggest starting with Bad Brains and moving forward from there. NT by mark 04/03/2003, 4:54pm PST NEW
    Re: Wanted: punk recommendations by Jhoh Creexul 04/03/2003, 5:09pm PST NEW
        Re: Wanted: punk recommendations by Entropy Stew 04/03/2003, 6:28pm PST NEW
            Wait, isn't that Pipi Longstocking? NT by Senor Barborito 04/03/2003, 6:35pm PST NEW
                Yes. :( by Jhoh Creexul 04/03/2003, 6:37pm PST NEW
    "Fountains of Wayne" is punk, says HMV by Ray, of Light 04/03/2003, 7:25pm PST NEW
        FoW is great, but not punk. by No Pocky For Titties 04/04/2003, 1:46am PST NEW
    Naked Raygun and early Replacements by Alternate789 04/03/2003, 7:26pm PST NEW
    {old shit} Clash, Husker Du and the (holy ghost) Clash NT by Nixon 04/03/2003, 8:49pm PST NEW
    Lard (do they count?), Misfits NT by Mr. Palomar 04/03/2003, 10:25pm PST NEW
    the big list by veronica 04/04/2003, 12:17am PST NEW
        what? no dayglo abortions? NT by mark 04/04/2003, 12:42am PST NEW
            they were ok, I never got into them by veronica 04/04/2003, 1:13am PST NEW
        My ears thank you. Also, everybody else. NT by Entropy Stew 04/04/2003, 4:51pm PST NEW
        So I finally saw Dead Milkmen by Entropy Stew 10/15/2009, 2:19pm PDT NEW
    Also, Minutemen. by No Pocky For Titties 04/04/2003, 1:47am PST NEW
    Musically I'm an idiot.... by FOF 04/05/2003, 11:02am PST NEW
        Re: Musically I'm an idiot.... by veronica 04/05/2003, 3:04pm PST NEW
            How about Jello Biafra + Mojo Nixon "Prairie Home Invasion"? NT by Mr. Palomar 04/05/2003, 3:14pm PST NEW
            "SLC Punk": Good movie. -nt- by Ray, of Light 04/05/2003, 3:44pm PST NEW
                Suburbia (the original) by veronica 04/05/2003, 3:57pm PST NEW
    Dead Kennedys-"Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables" NT by Lizard_King 06/12/2003, 9:36pm PDT NEW
        You bleeding liberal pinko. NT by Fussbett 06/14/2003, 1:31pm PDT NEW
            De-closeted. by Lizard_King 06/14/2003, 1:55pm PDT NEW
        Re: Dead Kennedys-"Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables" by McMoo The AntiDrug Cow 06/18/2003, 4:10pm PDT NEW
            Maybe. I like "Kill the poor". NT by Lizard_King 06/18/2003, 9:28pm PDT NEW
 
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