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Wrong by Senor Barborito 06/17/2003, 8:32am PDT
Fussbett wrote:

Senor Barborito wrote:

jeep wrote:

FoK wrote:

Unfortunately, talented musicians are not always good businesspeople. Witness long-term fights in which great artists have gotten screwed (XTC springs to mind, and NIN) for years.


That NIN thing is pretty instructive: TVT's boilerplate contract in the 80s was the same as every other label - except for a clause that says they get 10% of every dime you make under that band name forever. So while Reznor doesn't make more off projects like the Natural Born Killers soundtrack than he does off the NIN material, TVT still gets 10% of his new NIN record revenue, tshirts, and possibly live shows even though he's on Interscope/Nothing Records like 15-20 years after the fact.

If I recall correctly Tool was under a similar contract with either TVT or another label. I'm not sure, but I think Smashing Pumpkins successfully sued their way out of the same thing.

This is why labels who sign bands always ask for the contract to be judged under NY or CA law, since those states are label-friendly (NY even has its own court system just for dealing with RIAA cases). Under MA law, it's called indentured service, and you can't be held to any kind of weird contract terms longer than ~90 days if they're not still paying you regularly. I even got out of an NDA and a strict Non-Compete because of it.

/jeep/


Part of the whole "A Perfect Circle" sideband (they insist it is not a side project) was to work around that crap. Apparently they managed to get out of whatever it was completely in time for Lateralus. Sort of a pity, because I would have preferred any song off a hypothetical AEnima 2 to any song or even the whole of Lateralus.

A Perfect Circle is exactly one Tool dude. It wasn't a legal loophole at all.


It's not just the same lead singer, but the guitarist/songwriter for APC (Billy Howerdel)also did/does a shitload of production work for Tool. Beyond that, IIRC Adam Jones (guitarist for Tool) is also involved with the songwriting for APC to a significant extent.

Don't quote me re: Adam Jones, though, that one's from memory.

--SB
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Despite the fact that nobody cares about Pearl Jam, this is interesting . . . by Senor Barborito 06/05/2003, 2:22pm PDT NEW
    Hard to believe sometimes how badly record labels screw artists. by Lizard_King 06/05/2003, 6:47pm PDT NEW
        This is a surprise to you? by No Pocky For Titties 06/06/2003, 12:07am PDT NEW
            I guess not. Thanks for the elaboration. by Lizard_King 06/12/2003, 9:31pm PDT NEW
                Re: I guess not. Thanks for the elaboration. by FoK 06/12/2003, 11:42pm PDT NEW
                    Man, I hated the Verve Pipe. And the Verve, for that matter. by Lizard_King 06/14/2003, 1:28pm PDT NEW
                    Re: I guess not. Thanks for the elaboration. by jeep 06/16/2003, 5:27pm PDT NEW
                        That is fucked up. Although Reznor deserves it, I guess. NT by Lizard_King 06/16/2003, 8:43pm PDT NEW
                            ...why? by FoK 06/17/2003, 12:57am PDT NEW
                                Re: ...why? by Lizard_King 06/17/2003, 11:33am PDT NEW
                                Re: ...why? by Trent Reznor 06/17/2003, 8:01pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: ...why? by Lizard_King 06/17/2003, 8:29pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: ...why? by FoK 06/17/2003, 8:34pm PDT NEW
                                            hmm... by Lizard_King 06/17/2003, 9:20pm PDT NEW
                                                One minute. Fucker. NT by creativepig 06/17/2003, 9:22pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: ...why? by creativepig 06/17/2003, 9:21pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: ...why? by FoK 06/17/2003, 9:33pm PDT NEW
                        In the case of Tool: see "A Perfect Circle" by Senor Barborito 06/17/2003, 1:58am PDT NEW
                            Re: In the case of Tool: see "A Perfect Circle" by Fussbett 06/17/2003, 8:01am PDT NEW
                                Re: In the case of Tool: see "A Perfect Circle" by FoK 06/17/2003, 8:09am PDT NEW
                                Wrong by Senor Barborito 06/17/2003, 8:32am PDT NEW
                                    You're wrong about OpenBSD, computers. by Fussbett 06/17/2003, 8:53am PDT NEW
                                        Heh, bzzzt by Senor Barborito 06/17/2003, 9:11am PDT NEW
                                            Nope, I'm still right. by Fussbett 06/17/2003, 9:33am PDT NEW
                                                Re: Nope, I'm still right. by FoK 06/17/2003, 9:42am PDT NEW
                                                Re: Nope, I'm still right. by Senor Barborito 06/17/2003, 10:11am PDT NEW
                                                    Sisters of Mercy by FoK 06/17/2003, 10:24am PDT NEW
                                                    Re: Nope, I'm still right. by Jhoh Creexul 06/17/2003, 10:42am PDT NEW
                                                        Barring their second to last CD I'd agree NT by Senor Barborito 06/17/2003, 10:47am PDT NEW
                                                            Tool live blows APC out of the water, hands down. NT by Lizard_King 06/17/2003, 11:35am PDT NEW
                                                                Haven't had the fortune of seeing Tool, so I can't comment by Senor Barborito 06/17/2003, 11:36am PDT NEW
                                                                    Re: Haven't had the fortune of seeing Tool, so I can't comment by Lizard_King 06/17/2003, 1:41pm PDT NEW
                            See both, and ignore him by Bill Dungsroman 06/17/2003, 12:20pm PDT NEW
 
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