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Komrade BDR responds. by Bill Dungsroman 08/14/2003, 1:07pm PDT
The Article wrote:

Should the federal government require all Americans to buy private health insurance?


You'd better hope not, LK. I'd imagine those of us with dependable income and jobs would be paying more for our private health insurance (since the group insuree-group insurer relationship would be gone), while still putting tax dollars into care for the disenfranchised. Before you fire back with "Well, if you don't have money to get health care, too bad," remember there're too many "commies" voting and trying to get votes (apparently, all the Dem hopefuls are) under popular platform agendas to ever support nixing the welfare state. Don't look at me, I don't like it much, either.

The Article wrote:

For example, mandatory health insurance coverage might be combined with desirable features such as medical savings accounts, which would encourage people to save and invest for future medical emergencies.


Oh, that'd work. Let me tell you a story. When HMOs were sweeping the nation, some industrious beancounters tried to set up shop in Florida (several, in fact). Well, the ability for an HMO to stay afloat is in the proportion of "healthy" (young, rarely gets severely ill or needs expensive medical care) clients to "ill" (older, needs more expensive care on a consistent or persistent basis) clients. Usually, it's 80-90% healthy. In Florida, the Retirement Capital of the US, the percentage was nearly entirely flip-flopped, and most of the HMOs in Florida went bankrupt. The salient point here is it's impossible for someone of middle class or less to save enough to pay for their medical bills in most cases. Hell, all it takes is one disastrous event in any person's life (or the life of their spouse or child) and there goes the savings. What hence? Children of bankrupt parents dying because they can't get insulin? Shall we pre-emptively riot now?

The Article wrote:

The NAF proposal preserves private insurance and allows consumers to choose among competing insurance plans and coverage options.


Because that works so well with, say, auto insurance right now, right? And we know how auto insurance works: premiums go up whenever something bad happens. Don't know about you all, but I don't pay any more or less than anyone else at my job with my plan, whether I'm more or less sick. I've got a feeling that whatever I pay now isn't appreciably more than I'd pay on an as-used basis, even though I rarely get sick. That's just my feeling, though.

The Article wrote:

Employers would eventually devolve responsibility for health insurance to their employees by giving them the money the companies currently pay out to insurance agents.


Which I would argue is less than it would be if we had to each of us deal with on our own. Or is the concept of Group Rate not as advantageous as I'd always thought?

The Article wrote:

So, asks the NAF, why shouldn't we require people who now get health care at the expense of the rest of us to pay for their coverage themselves?


The NAF is a fucking idiot, apparently. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT. Could this be any more stupid?

The Article wrote:

There's no getting around it, mandatory health insurance would essentially be a new tax.


Thank you. The rest of this article is now irrelevant.

The Article wrote:

Specifically, the Galen Institute suggests that the federal government offer tax credits of $1,000 per individual and $3,000 per family, to help currently uninsured Americans buy health insurance.


Yeah, right. More like $1000 per family member. Great, let's expand and support the Welfare State. Who the fuck does this help again?

The Article wrote:

The NAF proposal offers a way to maintain our private health care system,

Kicking everyone out of their group plans and feeding them to the insurance wolves doesn't strike me as "maintenance." Or putting them in welfare lines before they go to a hospital. NO TICKEE NO SHIRTEE.

expand consumer choice,


Is this a serious selling point? WEE I LERV CAR INSURANCE IT GIVES ME SO MANY CHOICES.

lower costs,


On whose end? Not mine.

and allow medical progress to advance.


Whoopee fucking doo. I'm sorry, my tax dollars don't already go to programs like medical research and care for the needy? Yeah, whatever. What's the NAF's slogan, MORE WORK AND COST FOR YOU MEANS, UH, SOMETHING SOMEWHERE ELSE WELL AT LEAST MORE INSURANCE COMPANIES. Which America certainly needs.

BDR




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What do you commies make of this? by Lizard_King 08/12/2003, 8:25pm PDT NEW
    caveat by Lizard_King 08/12/2003, 8:30pm PDT NEW
    Re: What do you commies make of this? by Fussbett 08/13/2003, 2:11am PDT NEW
        Re: What do you commies make of this? by Lizard_King 08/13/2003, 2:08pm PDT NEW
            Re: What do you commies make of this? by Fussbett 08/13/2003, 4:31pm PDT NEW
                Re: What do you commies make of this? by Lizard_King 08/13/2003, 10:41pm PDT NEW
                    Re: What do you commies make of this? by Chairman Mao 08/14/2003, 12:03am PDT NEW
                        Re: What do you commies make of this? by Lizard_King 08/14/2003, 12:37am PDT NEW
                    It's as if I never paid income tax... by Fussbett 08/14/2003, 12:08am PDT NEW
                        Re: It's as if I never paid income tax... by Lizard_King 08/14/2003, 12:42am PDT NEW
                            Think of it as insurance insurance by Senor Barborito 08/14/2003, 2:56am PDT NEW
                                I do by Lizard_King 08/14/2003, 3:51am PDT NEW
                                    Well why didn't you just say that in the first place? by creativepig 08/14/2003, 6:50am PDT NEW
                                        Because that wasn't the point by Lizard_King 08/14/2003, 7:13am PDT NEW
                                    You are assuming you will never be poor by Senor Barborito 08/14/2003, 11:33am PDT NEW
                                        Seconded. by Chairman Mao 08/14/2003, 12:10pm PDT NEW
                                            Directed at L_K, not SB... NT by Chairman Mao 08/14/2003, 12:10pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: Seconded. by Lizard_King 08/14/2003, 4:14pm PDT NEW
                                                Awwwww by Chairman Mao 08/15/2003, 3:39pm PDT NEW
                                                    Re: Awwwww by Lizard_King 08/15/2003, 10:42pm PDT NEW
                                                        Re: Awwwww by Chairman Mao 08/15/2003, 11:19pm PDT NEW
                                                            Re: Awwwww by Lizard_King 08/16/2003, 2:41am PDT NEW
                            Re: It's as if I never paid income tax... by Fussbett 08/14/2003, 3:04pm PDT NEW
                                Ferenginar, not Vulcan, but yeah NT by Senor Barborito 08/14/2003, 3:27pm PDT NEW
                                Re: It's as if I never paid income tax... by Lizard_King 08/14/2003, 4:18pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: It's as if I never paid income tax... by I need clarification 08/14/2003, 6:01pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: It's as if I never paid income tax... by Lizard_King 08/14/2003, 9:37pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: It's as if I never paid income tax... by foogla 08/15/2003, 4:44am PDT NEW
                                                Re: It's as if I never paid income tax... by Lizard_King 08/16/2003, 4:53am PDT NEW
                                                    Re: It's as if I never paid income tax... by foogla 08/16/2003, 6:59am PDT NEW
                                            Do you even read the posts you respond to? Or just choose not to respond? by I need clarification 08/16/2003, 5:04am PDT NEW
                                                Re: Do you even read the posts you respond to? Or just choose not to respond? by Lizard_King 08/16/2003, 5:08am PDT NEW
                                                    Re: Do you even read the posts you respond to? Or just choose not to respond? by I need clarification 08/16/2003, 1:48pm PDT NEW
                                                        Re: Do you even read the posts you respond to? Or just choose not to respond? by Lizard_King 08/16/2003, 1:59pm PDT NEW
                                                            Re: Do you even read the posts you respond to? Or just choose not to respond? by I need clarification 08/16/2003, 6:29pm PDT NEW
                                                                Re: Do you even read the posts you respond to? Or just choose not to respond? by Lizard_King 08/16/2003, 6:39pm PDT NEW
                                                We Now Pause for a Word From Our Sponsors by Bitter 08/16/2003, 8:30pm PDT NEW
                                                    That did sound a bit high. NT by Lizard_King 08/16/2003, 8:43pm PDT NEW
                                                        Fucking subheadings vs titles by Lizard_King 08/16/2003, 8:47pm PDT NEW
                                                            Re: Fucking subheadings vs titles by I need clarification 08/16/2003, 10:17pm PDT NEW
                                                                Re: Fucking subheadings vs titles by Lizard_King 08/16/2003, 11:08pm PDT NEW
                                                                    Creexul by Fussbett 08/16/2003, 11:14pm PDT NEW
                                                                        Re: Creexul by Flurgendorf J. Creexul 08/17/2003, 12:09am PDT NEW
                                    I snipped your insulting ending. by Fussbett 08/16/2003, 4:31am PDT NEW
                                        Re: I snipped your insulting ending. by Lizard_King 08/16/2003, 4:50am PDT NEW
                                            What? by Fussbett 08/16/2003, 5:28am PDT NEW
                                                Re: What? by foogla 08/16/2003, 7:06am PDT NEW
                                                    Oh! by Fussbett 08/16/2003, 1:31pm PDT NEW
                                            If we're going to make broad generalizations and metaphors by Senor Barborito 08/16/2003, 7:20am PDT NEW
                                                I LIKE PIRATE METAPHORS NT by Entropy Stew 08/16/2003, 9:29am PDT NEW
                                                Are you abandoning Nazis for pirates? by I need clarification 08/16/2003, 1:43pm PDT NEW
                                                That's beautiful. I WANT TO BE A PIRATE 2!!!! NT by Lizard_King 08/16/2003, 1:48pm PDT NEW
                                            Movie Targets! by I need clarification 08/16/2003, 1:35pm PDT NEW
            This is why the UK and Canada are now moving towards Swedish-style HC by Senor Barborito 08/13/2003, 4:39pm PDT NEW
                Re: This is why the UK and Canada are now moving towards Swedish-style HC by Lizard_King 08/13/2003, 10:47pm PDT NEW
                    Good questions, glad we more or less agree on the basics, though. by Senor Barborito 08/14/2003, 2:53am PDT NEW
                        Re: Good questions, glad we more or less agree on the basics, though. by Lizard_King 08/14/2003, 3:58am PDT NEW
                            Re: Good questions, glad we more or less agree on the basics, though. by Senor Barborito 08/14/2003, 11:31am PDT NEW
                                Re: Good questions, glad we more or less agree on the basics, though. by godamit 08/15/2003, 5:06pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: Good questions, glad we more or less agree on the basics, though. by Lizard_King 08/15/2003, 5:49pm PDT NEW
                                        How about this: once you've got a greencard, you get healthcare by Senor Barborito 08/15/2003, 8:31pm PDT NEW
                                            Within the framework you suggest by Lizard_King 08/16/2003, 2:44am PDT NEW
                                                It's more of a 'welcome to America, now stop coughing up blood on our sidewalks' NT by Senor Barborito 08/16/2003, 3:06am PDT NEW
                                                    Can we get that printed on the Statue of Liberty? NT by Lizard_King 08/16/2003, 4:55am PDT NEW
                        Re: Good questions, glad we more or less agree on the basics, though. by Zebco Fuckface 08/14/2003, 1:33pm PDT NEW
                            I don't believe that for a second. Prove it, link it, and I still won't. NT by Senor Barborito 08/14/2003, 1:45pm PDT NEW
                                Overseas outsourcing? by Chairman Mao 08/14/2003, 1:56pm PDT NEW
                                    IBM moving 5% of it's work force, as Mao said: fuck you. NT by Senor Barborito 08/14/2003, 1:58pm PDT NEW
                                        He was being sarchastic, Barbie... by Chairman Mao 08/14/2003, 2:18pm PDT NEW
                                            What is this sarcasm you speak of? NT by Senor Barborito 08/14/2003, 2:23pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: He was being sarchastic, Barbie... by Zebco Fuckface 08/14/2003, 7:00pm PDT NEW
    Re: What do you commies make of this? by Zebco Fuckface 08/14/2003, 12:02pm PDT NEW
        Individual coverage by corax 08/14/2003, 1:23pm PDT NEW
    Komrade BDR responds. by Bill Dungsroman 08/14/2003, 1:07pm PDT NEW
        Re: Komrade BDR responds. by Lizard_King 08/14/2003, 4:22pm PDT NEW
            It sure sucks to be rich. by Mischief Maker 08/14/2003, 7:11pm PDT NEW
                That is the least funny thing I've read in a while. NT by Lizard_King 08/14/2003, 9:40pm PDT NEW
                    Couldn't you at least use Invisible text in your fake NT post? NT by Mischief Liberatzi 08/14/2003, 9:47pm PDT NEW
            Re: Komrade BDR responds. by Bill Dungsroman 08/14/2003, 9:52pm PDT NEW
                Re: Komrade BDR responds. by Lizard_King 08/14/2003, 10:46pm PDT NEW
                I disagree!! by I need clarification 08/15/2003, 1:44pm PDT NEW
            Re: Komrade BDR responds. by godamit 08/15/2003, 5:15pm PDT NEW
                Hint: by Senor Barborito 08/15/2003, 8:35pm PDT NEW
                    I'm glad that was cathartic by Lizard_King 08/16/2003, 5:13am PDT NEW
                        Oh shut up by Senor Barborito 08/16/2003, 5:36pm PDT NEW
                        AND J00 THINK FIGHT CLUB IS ABOUT 2 BOSOM BUDDY TERREASTS!!!!!@@!!!!!! NT by Flick Filosopher 08/16/2003, 7:06pm PDT NEW
                    what I was getting at... by godamit 08/18/2003, 2:19pm PDT NEW
                        Good post. by Fussbett 08/18/2003, 2:31pm PDT NEW
                            Re: Good post. by godamit 08/18/2003, 3:54pm PDT NEW
        Re: Komrade BDR responds. by Lizard_King 08/14/2003, 10:43pm PDT NEW
            Re: Komrade BDR responds. by Bill Dungsroman 08/15/2003, 6:56pm PDT NEW
                I forgot my favorite quote by Bill Dungsroman 08/15/2003, 8:08pm PDT NEW
                    Re: I forgot my favorite quote by Lizard_King 08/15/2003, 10:39pm PDT NEW
                Medical Savings Accounts by Bitter 08/16/2003, 8:45pm PDT NEW
                    Huh. So, who clears the expense as justified? by Lizard_King 08/16/2003, 9:45pm PDT NEW
 
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