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by Zsenicorpse 07/23/2006, 11:36am PDT |
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Fussbett wrote:
Zsenicorpse wrote:
The real power and the real stealing happens at a much higher level than puerile "coolness".
I don't think anyone would argue about "coolness" being inefficient. In fact, that's the point of being cool. Just not giving one or even two shits about the consequences. There are no seatbelts on a motorcycle, baby.
What does this have to do with Jerry's thesis (which he is even now worming away from) - that a lot of stealing is inherently cool? I give you some of the world's great thieves - the Ken Lays and Kissingers, and all their even cooler compatriots who didn't get caught - and you reply that coolness lives in a seatbelt-free motorcycle.
I sense a shifting standard.
Also: even the seatbelt-free motorcycle requires a ton of management and effort and engineering which the cool guy has to buy. I mean he not only has to buy into the concept in the first place, he has to buy a piece of the steel mills, the engine engineers, the gas companies, etc. No cool guy is an island, Fussbett, and the whole system of motorcycle-coolness depends on even larger social orders than that: an economy in which he can choose to buy motorcycle-related items; a government which allows, by direct consent or sheer laziness, the existence of the motorcycle; a society which backs "motorcycle" as "cool" and not as, for example, a vehicle for people too poor to afford a pony. It doesn't matter that none of that is cool - that only the cool guy is cool - since it is at that point sufficiently evident that coolness only exists in the first place as a burp or accident or consequence of a much larger system. Motorcycle-coolness can be safely ignored without damaging one's chances at money, power, or reproduction; and paying attention to motorcycle-coolness, like Safe Edgy, is a high-investment low-return prospect in the first place. Whoa, that's a standard I'm going to ditch quick-like! I'm a crazy stupid pleasure utilitarian like that.
So the idea here is to have a music forum less involved with coolness and more involved with enjoying things. On this new standard of pleasure-utility, dissing someone's music for failing to be hip and giant unformatted lists with no markers are bad, and reviews and uploaded albums are good. Maybe I'm just some kind of cool rebel tearing down society's straightjacketing status quo. Fight The Man! You guys are all pissed off because you don't want to be The Man. |
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Roots Manuva / Spank Rock albums by Zsenicorpse 07/20/2006, 1:06pm PDT 
It's bad enough that you write about your terrible taste. by Fullofkittens 07/20/2006, 5:29pm PDT 
Bad Caltrops Rules (a series): #1 No liking things allowed! by Zsenicorpse 07/20/2006, 6:20pm PDT 
I can see music rating communities from here by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 07/20/2006, 6:47pm PDT 
Why wasn't this in quotes? It boggles the mind. by Worm 07/20/2006, 7:02pm PDT 
Roots Manuva is the point guard of the Safe Edgy All Stars. by Liz Enkittengasm 07/20/2006, 9:25pm PDT 
My point is that I don't care what's Safe Edgy or not. by Caltrops Welcome Wagon 07/20/2006, 10:34pm PDT 
ATOR NT by Zsenicorpse 07/20/2006, 10:34pm PDT 
It has nothing to do with who's listening by Liz Enkittengasm 07/20/2006, 11:04pm PDT 
Re: It has nothing to do with who's listening by Zsenicorpse 07/21/2006, 8:19am PDT 
Re: It has nothing to do with who's listening by Fullofkittens 07/23/2006, 5:14pm PDT 
Re: It has nothing to do with who's listening by Zsenicorpse 07/23/2006, 8:43pm PDT 
Re: It has nothing to do with who's listening by Liz Enkittengasm 07/23/2006, 9:53pm PDT 
Then... don't download the stuff I upload! by Zsenicorpse 07/24/2006, 12:13am PDT 
Waiter! There's a pussy in my soup! by Entropy Stew 07/24/2006, 2:12am PDT 
This is almost as unclever as the original post :( NT by Jerry Whorebach 07/24/2006, 4:00am PDT 
I should have stopped at the title :( NT by Entropy Stew 07/24/2006, 10:44am PDT 
Re: Waiter! There's a pussy in my soup! by Zsenicorpse 07/24/2006, 1:48pm PDT 
Re: Waiter! There's a pussy in my soup! by Entropy Stew 07/24/2006, 10:55pm PDT 
Hm, someone seems cowardly all of a sudden, in a very Caltrops way. :( NT by I need clarification 07/21/2006, 3:47pm PDT 
You are what you eat. NT by Zsenicorpse 07/21/2006, 4:03pm PDT 
So that would make you a coprophage? NT by Obvious Joke Brigade 07/21/2006, 5:55pm PDT 
Re: My point is that I don't care what's Safe Edgy or not. by Quentin Beck 07/21/2006, 10:04pm PDT 
WRONG by I think you're brilliant 07/21/2006, 10:43pm PDT 
Re: WRONG by Quentin Beck 07/22/2006, 7:55pm PDT 
Re: WRONG by Quenten Beck 07/22/2006, 8:55pm PDT 
Re: WRONG by Samuel L. \"el_jay\" Jackson 07/23/2006, 12:02am PDT 
Re: WRONG by Zsenicorpse 07/23/2006, 2:13am PDT 
Re: WRONG by Jerry Whorebach 07/23/2006, 2:30am PDT 
Re: WRONG by Zsenicorpse 07/23/2006, 2:34am PDT 
It might not be Ocean's Eleven, but stealing is stealing. NT by Jerry Whorebach 07/23/2006, 2:57am PDT 
All the really cool criminals are, like, TOTALLY unorganized. (And cool.) by Zsenicorpse 07/23/2006, 3:35am PDT 
cool by Fussbett 07/23/2006, 4:37am PDT 
Re: cool by Zsenicorpse 07/23/2006, 11:36am PDT 
Re: cool by Fussbett 07/23/2006, 3:16pm PDT 
Translation: uncool is the new cool by Entropy Stew 07/23/2006, 7:17pm PDT 
Huey Lewis: right all along. NT by Fullofkittens 07/23/2006, 8:22pm PDT 
Re: blah blah blah we got to get organized <-----------NAZI by Jerry Whorebach 07/23/2006, 5:26am PDT 
Re: blah blah blah we got to get organized <-----------NAZI by Zsenicorpse 07/23/2006, 11:45am PDT 
explaining cool : Big Lebowski refs :: explaining comedy : Monty Python refs NT by Entropy Stew 07/23/2006, 7:46pm PDT 
YOU LAZY BASTARD NT by Tony 07/24/2006, 2:01am PDT 
Were it possible, I'd have expressed the point with a single word NT by Entropy Stew 07/24/2006, 2:22am PDT 
I was ready to discuss this list two years ago, but NOW? Fuck you all! by Ray of Light 07/23/2006, 7:12am PDT 
Re: I was ready to discuss this list two years ago, but NOW? Fuck you all! by I need clarification 07/23/2006, 11:42am PDT 
Re: I was ready to discuss this list two years ago, but NOW? Fuck you all! by Zsenicorpse 07/23/2006, 11:46am PDT 
Oh, man, sweet. A new Ratatat album. NT by Mysterio 07/23/2006, 12:04pm PDT 
Ask me if the new Wilco album is good. by Todd Barry 07/24/2006, 12:16am PDT 
YES! by Jerry Whorebach 07/22/2006, 12:25am PDT 
That's disgusting. by Zsenicorpse 07/22/2006, 1:21pm PDT 
Re: That's disgusting. by Quentin Beck 07/22/2006, 7:47pm PDT 
Okay. NT by Zsenicorpse 07/23/2006, 12:13am PDT 
Re: Roots Manuva is the point guard of the Safe Edgy All Stars. by Choson 07/20/2006, 11:36pm PDT 
Without Zseni's earnestness to attack, we're pretty dull. NT by The Happiness Engine 07/21/2006, 9:07am PDT 
Hey I'll download these albums and review them for everyone. ^_^ NT by Creexul :( 07/20/2006, 6:52pm PDT 
I downloaded them, but I think I'm gonna call off the review. :( by Creexul :( 07/24/2006, 12:13am PDT 
Re: Roots Manuva / Spank Rock albums by Choson 07/20/2006, 7:12pm PDT 
Dag, I don't know. This is the only Roots album I've heard so far. by Zsenicorpse 07/20/2006, 10:35pm PDT 
MC Amanda Blank rips shit up to a nontrivial degree. NT by condescending white hipster 07/20/2006, 7:31pm PDT 
While I was checking that out... by Zsenicorpse 07/20/2006, 10:59pm PDT 
But what about Phife Dawg? No love for his album? Does he even have an album? NT by I need clarification 07/21/2006, 3:45pm PDT 
I'm enjoying the Roots Manuva album. Thanks Zsenicorpse. NT by JATGS 07/25/2006, 8:34pm PDT 
Both of these albums are not worth the time spent looking at the covers. NT by Creexul :( 08/02/2006, 5:24pm PDT 
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