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by Jerry Whorebach 10/17/2006, 9:43am PDT |
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Zsenicorpse wrote:
People who lack both the means and the ability to protect themselves will not, you're quite correct, be able to protect themselves.
I don't understand this sentence. Are you saying that right now, in your country, the only thing standing between the weak and their doom is a firearm? Somehow I find that hard to believe.
Zsenicorpse wrote:
What is this weird theory you have that school shooters are crazy enough to shoot up schools, but not crazy enough to do anything but shoot up schools? Either they're irrationally violent or they aren't. Homemade explosives are quite the to-do with militias and terrorists; meanwhile, it's also easy to poison cafeteria food (nyuk nyuk), kidnap individuals, torture and kill them, etc. without the use of guns. John Wayne Gacy or the Trenchcoat Mafia - which statistically anomalous body of violence is "worse"?
All those things you mention sound like a lot of work for very little glamour. There's a reason no one makes video games about poisoning food or making and deploying your own shitty pipebombs. Also, some of those projects may be too challenging for younger or stupider children.
Zsenicorpse wrote:
By the way, inherent in your argument is the idea that Columbines are frequent and bloody enough to, all by themselves, justify gun control. I'm just not seeing how they are frequent and important enough to justify anything but the return of school rifle teams.
I don't think I said anything about Columbine happening more than once. Maybe that was in the article? Anyway, I read in Dateline by Dr. Stone Phillips that one or two children each year still end up shooting someone or getting shot, especially in black neighbourhoods :(|)
Zsenicorpse wrote:
Speaking of celebrities, isn't it funny the way the Trenchcoat Mafia went about their business? It's almost as though they were following a template. The funny attention to details! Where would they have gotten the idea to wear cool-ass clothing and perform cool-ass feats of murderous daring? They remind me kinda of that one guy, what's his name - you know the one.
Yes, those murders were clearly someone's fault... but whose?!? Sadly, we may never know the real truth about that.
Zsenicorpse wrote:
More magical logic: ridiculous social policies come from... space!
I would explain how a bill becomes law but I can never remember without the song.
Zsenicorpse wrote:
Overcrowding is a problem, but a bigger problem is the vengefulness of prisons; law and order, in the strict, patriarchal, eye for an eye sense, is very popular with those sweet triage-nurse soccer moms and most other red-staters. But prisons which concentrate on violently and humiliatingly degrading their prisoners, which lock them up for ever-increasing sentences and open them up to unthinkable abuses, even up to the risk of contracting lethal socially-transmitted diseases, and which.... spank the habeus corpus right out of them....
I've presently got charges pending against one tall drink of cocksucker for B&E and assault. I wouldn't particularly mind if his cellmate turns out to be the sadistic type. And he's got no reason to complain, seeing as how I managed to defend my home without filling him full of holes. Everybody wins!
Zsenicorpse wrote:
As far as schools go, like prisons there are many important ways they could be, relatively easily and cheaply, run a little better. One of these ways is: not permitting the star football player to abuse and humiliate dorks. But for some reason this is a totally unworkable piece of policy. Maybe I'm bad at policy.
My little brother's in high school and, according to him, physical assault of any kind is frowned upon. When it goes unpunished, that's generally the result of incompetent implementation of policy rather than a small typo in the school charter leaving a loophole for bullying or whatever the fuck you're talking about fixing without spending any money.
Zsenicorpse wrote:
Did you intentionally characterize all owners of personal firearms as violent fascists?
Yes.
Zsenicorpse wrote:
There are good places for gun control, places where it's a natural extension of the equable nature of the society. But why would you control guns in a nation and not control capital, to use your own example? In the end, you wind up with uncontrolled capitalists who have more freedom than ever, and former gun owners who have one freedom less. If you're going to forceably equalize power levels, why are you starting with guns? Because it's the easiest place? Because they're the worst? Ken Lay versus Kleibold & Harris: who did more harm?
I don't recall starting with guns, you're confusing me with that other soccer cow. They're definitely on my list of things I could do without, they're just somewhere near the bottom. For instance: NAFTA, greenhouse gas emissions, preventable disease, and bloated intellectual property laws all rank substantially higher.
Zsenicorpse wrote:
You missed a lot of bad science, spurious miscategorization, and magical logic. It was a cheesier and more moralistic version of your own material here, so you probably would have hated it.
Awesome, I'm more satisfied now than ever with my decision not to read it. |
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Gun Control is the only way to stop Columbine from happening again. by Zsenicorpse 10/16/2006, 5:26pm PDT 
On the disturbing tendency among forum geeks to blame the victims for Columbine. by Jerry Whorebach 10/16/2006, 7:40pm PDT
Alas, Chet fucked SB and blamed Erik. by Mischief Maker 10/16/2006, 8:39pm PDT
Dim-witted jock to murderous psychos: "You're sick and that's wrong." NT by From the mouths of babes! 10/16/2006, 8:52pm PDT
Re: Alas, Chet fucked SB and blamed Erik. by Zsenicorpse 10/16/2006, 9:13pm PDT
Zseni wishes she had shot up her highschool by Flavio 10/16/2006, 9:34pm PDT
I'm actually willing to blame the victims of Columbine. by motherfuckerfoodeater 10/16/2006, 9:53pm PDT
The mean upper middle class streets of Littleton. by Jhoh Cable o_O 10/16/2006, 10:44pm PDT
Great post, Zseni. NT by Grogan 10/16/2006, 9:48pm PDT
NF by Jerry Whorebach 10/17/2006, 1:43am PDT
Holy shit! Jerry's post is even better! Now we're having fun. by Quentin Beck 10/17/2006, 2:43am PDT
Nanaimo—Alberni NT by Google 10/17/2006, 5:14am PDT
I googled my name and all I got was a pederastic filmography :( NT by Jerry Whorebach 10/17/2006, 6:06am PDT
Re: NF by Zsenicorpse 10/17/2006, 7:42am PDT
Even More NF by Jerry Whorebach 10/17/2006, 9:43am PDT
So what's the problem? Besides you being a total sadist? by Zsenicorpse 10/17/2006, 12:17pm PDT
Re: Even More NF by Worm 10/17/2006, 3:24pm PDT
There are a lot of law school professors who don't know how good they have it by I need clarification 10/17/2006, 5:06pm PDT
Counter: 5. And you're asking for a "Creexul And I Are Friends" barrage if you NT by ask Zsenicorpse 10/17/2006, 5:41pm PDT
Haha yeah, she waits to be asked, usually. NT by I need clarification 10/17/2006, 5:54pm PDT
I have beautiful handwriting too - another one of their immeasurable losses. by Zsenicorpse 10/17/2006, 6:28pm PDT
We take our exams on laptops now. NT by Mischief Maker 11/07/2006, 9:16am PST
Houngan reveals why he choose Qt3 over Caltrops. by Fussbett 11/06/2006, 11:54pm PST
MWAHAHAHAHA!!! NT by Mischief Maker 11/07/2006, 9:15am PST
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