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Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by motherfuckerfoodeater 12/02/2008, 2:09pm PST
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:


That being said, I've never asked this question on a gaming forum, but BioShock is an argument AGAINST objectivism, isn't it? Because a society that tried to implement it went straight to hell, and everyone involved (Andrew Ryan, the first boss who was a plastic surgeon, the child molester that appears later in the game) were demonstrably horrible people, even outside their fourth-grader's understanding of society and culture.

But I thought I read at some point that Ken Levine actually subscribes to the theory of objectivism, which blew me away. I can think of no better argument as to why it would not work than the game he made.


ICJ


I think that Bioshock can easily be read either way. You can (as you seem to have) read the collapse of rapture as an inevitable consequence of its founding "principles", or you can read the collapse as the result of Ryan's abandoning his ideal free society in favor of a police state in the face of adversity. It seems clear that this was intended to let the designer(s) have it both ways, which just goes to show how firm in their convictions Rand fans are.
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Personal Ads for Objectivists by Fortinbras 11/29/2008, 2:09pm PST NEW
    Do they other kinds of classified ads for objectivists? by Jerry Whorebach 11/29/2008, 6:11pm PST NEW
        Ray is selling an outboard motor? NT by Coronation 12/02/2008, 12:45pm PST NEW
    Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Bananadine 12/02/2008, 12:00pm PST NEW
        Try Murray Rothbard's essay on the Ayn Rand cult for real loopiness by Fortinbras 12/02/2008, 12:45pm PST NEW
        Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/02/2008, 1:04pm PST NEW
            Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by motherfuckerfoodeater 12/02/2008, 2:09pm PST NEW
                Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/02/2008, 8:52pm PST NEW
            Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Bananadine 12/02/2008, 6:32pm PST NEW
                What? by motherfuckerfoodeater 12/02/2008, 7:00pm PST NEW
                    It could be my definition of "neckbeard" is imperfect by Bananadine 12/02/2008, 8:21pm PST NEW
                        Yeah, I was gonna say that, the beard and - yeah NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/02/2008, 8:44pm PST NEW
                        Re: It could be my definition of "neckbeard" is imperfect by motherfuckerfoodeater 12/02/2008, 9:02pm PST NEW
                Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/02/2008, 8:55pm PST NEW
                    The Fountainhead is better written, smaller, and puts across the same point NT by Fortinbras 12/02/2008, 9:03pm PST NEW
                        Also there is a Rush song based on it I think. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 12/02/2008, 9:38pm PST NEW
                            The Trees? NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/02/2008, 10:31pm PST NEW
                                No. :( NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 12/02/2008, 11:10pm PST NEW
                                    Tom Sawyer? NT by Jerry Whorebach 12/03/2008, 5:09am PST NEW
                                    Well, I give up, *I* can't figure out what The Trees is about /flips keyboard NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/03/2008, 11:42am PST NEW
                    Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Mischief Maker 12/02/2008, 10:15pm PST NEW
                    Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Bananadine 12/02/2008, 11:20pm PST NEW
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                        Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Mischief Maker 12/03/2008, 7:39am PST NEW
                            Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Bananadine 12/03/2008, 10:24am PST NEW
                            Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Choson 12/03/2008, 11:36am PST NEW
                        semi-colorful characters that behave consistently with their own impossible pers NT by New Caltrops Titlebar 12/03/2008, 9:17am PST NEW
                    Oh okay let me help with that. by Zsenitan 12/03/2008, 9:48am PST NEW
                        Re: Oh okay let me help with that. by Bananadine 12/03/2008, 10:18am PST NEW
                Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Choson 12/03/2008, 11:33am PST NEW
 
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