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by Zseni 07/25/2004, 2:54am PDT |
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It's obvious to me that the anonymous masses don't want the case closed on macho men, so here we go. Even at this moment, at the gay laboratory behind the back 40, my sword-handle-wrapping boyfriend is holding a dialog with my well-into-12th-set-of-reps-on-70-pound-bicep-curls brother.
voce stupido throughout:
Bro: Hey Weap, maybe we can get some beef jerky.
Weap: Together, you mean? Just you and me?
Bro: Yeah I found a really good deal online, maybe we could share some jerky....
Weap: Yeah just us.
Bro: Then we could go to Auto Zone.
Weap: And get a nitro kit, yeah. A cheap one.
Bro: Then we could do push ups together.
Weap: At my shop. (to me, skirted, ankles crossed, seated at the computer after having fixed them fresh hot pancakes) No girls allowed.
Bro: Yeah it's just us manly guys and our jerky at the shop.
Weap: We're just installing the kit. Sometimes I have to take my pants off to do that though...
Bro: I'll just take my pants off if it makes it easier for you, bud.
Weap: Yeah that might save some money on the heating bills. Because you have a really hot ass.
Bro: You said that out loud again, dude.
Weap: (looks guity)
See but they were kidding because even if they were gay, it's summer and really hot out already.
Everyone I've polled, and I have done so extensively, finds the whole idea of 1. frugality and 2. group internet jerky purchasing because (1 and 2) macho completely ludicrous. Who have I asked? Among the many: the bladesmithing community. Members of Teamsters Local 162. The men of the local college debate team...and the wrestling team!
Setting: warehouse, midnight shift. Players: Kit, a broad-shouldered load-toter on her second husband. Israel, a woman of fantastic height and the only one to ever overpower me in a shoving match. Biron, the local college debate team's ex-star slut - male, hairy, beer-swilling, very virile.
Me: (to assembled group, visiting on union business) Guys, I have to know: is it macho to save money? Is frugality macho?
Kit: Um...
Israel: What, like being cheap?
Me: No, like saving money. Like say you buy something online with a bunch of other guys to save money.
Kit: Do men shop online?
Israel: (laughs, loud and for some time) That doesn't sound macho to me.
Biron doesn't like me. He ignored me in the group, so I caught him on his own while he was doing his thang.
Me: Biron, is frugality masculine?
Biron (is also an economics graduate student!): How the fuck would I know? Do I look like the expert on masculinity around here?
Me: I just thought that since you probably have a penis somewhere on your body...
Biron: That's a hasty generalization.
Me: No, seriously, just answer the question.
Biron (harassed): No, it's not. Get out of my fucking way, I'm trying to work here.
The default answer for the entire group of five wrestlers that I talked to was "(laughter) no." to both points. One elaborated:
"It's macho to make do with what you have."
That got a round of agreement from the other four with this one.
"Yeah, it's macho to not need beef jerky."
But it was the Weaponsmith and some selected knifemakers and swordmakers from across the country that turned in the hits. Not only was the answer a resounding NO! to frugality and group internet jerky purchasing, many of them found the question itself almost insulting.
Me (trying to make friends with angry elderly guy famous for his work on handles and sheaths): Ha ha, you're the kind of guy who has an epoxy for everything. That's pretty macho. So - uh - is it manly to be frugal?
Handlesmithin' Steve: I don't have an epoxy for everything. I have two kinds of epoxy: slow set and fast set. If I'm working on something that doesn't need one of those, I don't need it [the thing that I'm working on.]
Me: Ha ha yeah.
Handlesmithin' Steve: What do you mean, is it manly to be frugal? Do you think I'm cutting corners or something?
I handed the phone back over to the Weaponsmith at that point.
Me (talking to Spanish-born Taipei-based sword collector and Aikido expert who has worked in a number of martial arts areas of interest): I wanted to ask you a couple of oddball questions, Rodriguez,
Rod The Slice0r: Shoot.
Me: Is it manly to be frugal? Like to try and save money on stuff.
Rod The Slice0r: What do you mean, manly? A man doesn't get upset over details. How much money are we talking about?
Me: (repeats Spy magazine result as example) Or like purchasing something online in bulk to save money.
Rod The Slice0r: That's ridiculous. That magazine must have gotten something wrong.
Me: I'm just repeating what I heard.
Rod The Slice0r: No Chinese businessman would ever do such a thing. Why would he let someone know that he needed that little money?
Me: So a manly man wouldn't do something like that.
Rod The Slice0r: I don't buy cheap things online, take that as you will.
Another martial artist, this one a tall Celt with a long history of being an annoying asshole and a long future in the military ahead of him:
"No, you make beef jerky youself on shelves next to the water heater."
Which seemed to me eminently sensible and masculine.
So there you have it, ladies and frugal guys and gentlemen. Also, Ray!, we were discussing MACHO - not boyish, not guyish, not "things that male humans do." Macho. Grossing out girls is not macho and neither is being a whiny demanding fop. Did you seriously blither about me not being sufficiently competitive? Because I used the word "play"? I wanted to engage in a pitched round of the Glass Bead Game, not the Earnestly Discussing Whether Ray Is A Man Game. You were a fucking disappointment, you blithering, mincing, quibbling faggot. |
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Machismo revisted. by Zseni 07/25/2004, 2:54am PDT
Re: Machismo revisted. by E. L. Koba 07/25/2004, 4:39am PDT
Re: Machismo revisted. by Zseni 07/25/2004, 7:37am PDT
I've demanded nothing of you but your best by Ray of Light 07/25/2004, 11:14pm PDT
You're clearly wasting your time. by Zseni 07/26/2004, 4:32am PDT
You're a dumbhead because I say it is so! NT by *STAMPS FOOT* 07/26/2004, 9:24am PDT
Did you know there were ELEVEN battles of the Isonzo? by laudablepuss 07/27/2004, 3:34am PDT
Ray could make the Holocaust funny, and I might be behind it. Make this funnier. NT by Worm 07/25/2004, 5:53am PDT
By calling Hitler short or something? NT by I need clarification 07/25/2004, 10:13am PDT
If Ray said Hitler was short Zseni would mention Napoleon. NT by Worm 07/25/2004, 11:21am PDT
I guess that makes you right about Ray being hilarious, after all. :( NT by I need clarification 07/25/2004, 11:40am PDT
Me (talking to Spanish-born Taipei-based sword collector and Aikido expert by who has worked in a number of 07/25/2004, 11:49am PDT
May is skinny and bookish. Eyelass frames extremely delicate. Low tolerance for by mess of any kind. Her bedroom 07/25/2004, 12:11pm PDT
That was well written, missed it. Maybe I'll try to read that shitty Zseni NT by post again. 07/25/2004, 12:50pm PDT
Are you funny? NT by Ever? 07/25/2004, 8:53pm PDT
We know for certain that you in particular are never funny. NT by Edward Gibbons 07/25/2004, 8:55pm PDT
Ad Hominem NT by Zseni 07/25/2004, 9:21pm PDT
Yes, hadn't you noticed? NT by I need clarification 07/26/2004, 1:00am PDT
No, you aren't. NT by I don't need clarification 07/26/2004, 2:04pm PDT
Yeah! BDR's roomate tried to suck him awf! Har! NT by LOL 07/25/2004, 1:18pm PDT
Whoever's got gas, it's killing me!! NT by here all week 07/25/2004, 4:03pm PDT
Just so you (and your BIG HUNK OF MACHO MAN) know by whydirt 07/25/2004, 7:06am PDT
Re: Just so you (and your BIG HUNK OF MACHO MAN) know by Zseni 07/25/2004, 7:44am PDT
Re: Just so you (and your BIG HUNK OF MACHO MAN) know by whydirt 07/27/2004, 6:14pm PDT
WE DON'T ACCEPT RAGING BULLDYKES by LAW SCHOOL EVERYWHERE 07/27/2004, 6:18pm PDT
Not funny by You lose 07/25/2004, 7:37am PDT
Re: Not funny by Zseni 07/25/2004, 7:45am PDT
That would have been a good post only if everything you said wasn't wrong. :( NT by I need clarification 07/25/2004, 10:14am PDT
Jesus cracker christ, let it go. You already lost (badly) NT by You've lost this war, go home 07/25/2004, 11:59am PDT
Crackers!!! Delicious! NT by Manly Men Dining On The Cheap 07/25/2004, 12:08pm PDT
Perfect! All that it's missing is a character named Grover. NT by mrs. johnson 07/25/2004, 1:16pm PDT
Stop acting so catty. by Rex Reed 07/25/2004, 1:17pm PDT
You just figured out why it's so great, anonyfruit. NT by mrs. johnson 07/26/2004, 12:59am PDT
Being macho means not having to explain yourself. by conflictNo 07/25/2004, 2:29pm PDT
Yeah, Ray lost when he engaged the argument. Romero weighs in, too. by I need clarification 07/25/2004, 3:56pm PDT
wow by FABIO 07/25/2004, 8:07pm PDT
Re: Being macho means not having to explain yourself. by Zseni 07/25/2004, 3:59pm PDT
Re: Being macho means not having to explain yourself. by Entropy Stew 07/25/2004, 10:12pm PDT
Re: Being macho means not having to explain yourself. by Zseni 07/25/2004, 11:06pm PDT
Re: Being macho means not having to explain yourself. by Entropy Stew 07/26/2004, 2:15am PDT
Re: Being macho means not having to explain yourself. by Zseni 07/26/2004, 10:54am PDT
Re: Being macho means not having to explain yourself. by wherever 07/26/2004, 1:32pm PDT
Re: Being macho means not having to explain yourself. by I need clarification 07/26/2004, 4:44pm PDT
You're ten times the man that is really a woman who likes jerky by Zseni-lover 07/26/2004, 2:17pm PDT
This seems to be the standard answer to anyone who says Ray! isn't super-funny. by I need clarification 07/26/2004, 4:45pm PDT
I did not have sexual relations with Zseni's fat ass. NT by Clinton 07/26/2004, 6:02pm PDT
Re: Being macho means not having to explain yourself. by Pieter 07/27/2004, 12:26am PDT
Re: Being macho means not having to explain yourself. by Entropy Stew 07/27/2004, 3:33am PDT
Re: Being macho means not having to explain yourself. by Zseni 07/27/2004, 4:17am PDT
Re: Being macho means not having to explain yourself. by Entropy Stew 07/27/2004, 11:24am PDT
Re: Being macho means not having to explain yourself. by I need clarification 07/26/2004, 1:05am PDT
Re: Being macho means not having to explain yourself. by pieter 07/26/2004, 4:33am PDT
Who the fuck are you, again? NT by I need clarification 07/26/2004, 8:07am PDT
He's "pieter." Can't you read (his awesome sig)? NT by I need clarification 07/26/2004, 4:46pm PDT
You're boring, shut up. NT by Arbiter of Comedy 07/26/2004, 7:52am PDT
As surmised, INC sucks in blue, too. by Bill Dungsroman 07/26/2004, 10:47am PDT
Why don't you just write "neener neener neener!" by Edward Gibbons 07/26/2004, 11:19am PDT
Wow, that was lazy even for Gibbons NT by FABIO 07/26/2004, 1:45pm PDT
Didn't your male roommate suck your dick? by I need clarification 07/26/2004, 4:42pm PDT
You're fat by pieter 07/26/2004, 5:29pm PDT
INC: easier than v. by Bill Dungsroman 07/26/2004, 6:23pm PDT
Hey, I remember you - didn't you drop out of medical school or something? NT by I need clarification 07/26/2004, 7:40pm PDT
SO FUNNY NT by Pack of retards 07/26/2004, 8:20pm PDT
Donkeys are dumb :(. by Zseni's Ass 07/26/2004, 3:29pm PDT
What the fuck even IS all this? by K. Thor Jensen 07/26/2004, 4:29pm PDT
Re: What the fuck even IS all this? by Creexul :( 07/26/2004, 5:05pm PDT
vpocalypse is to Zseni-hating what 9/11 was to flag-buying NT by Ray of Light 07/26/2004, 7:59pm PDT
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