Forum Overview :: Gamerasutra :: Re: Do you know what a red herring is?

[quote name="Fortinbras"][quote name="Lizard_King"] What, are you kidding me? I can't think of a single issue where I wouldn't by default assume that Jsoh is more right than you.[/quote] [quote] Go ahead, do the Phil Bell mission I'm talking about. I want you to do all of this bullshit you just wrote about, then drive to pick up Phil in the truck, then drive the slow truck to the location in service of the worst infiltration in history, then watch Phil sprint into the warehouse and die in a blaze of glory. [/quote] Also not one of my favorite missions. I didn't think of hopping back into the truck though! Lets just skip the bullshit and lay out the worst and best missions in GTAIV: Best: The Bank Job, The Crack Deal Gone Bad in the High Rise Apartment, the one where you have to shoot either Dwayne or the other guy, the one where you're flying the Rasta around with a rocket launcher in a helicopter, the one where you bust into a chinese restaurant with a shotgun, a bunch of other shit Terrible: Almost anything involving Phil Bell, almost anything involving a chase Assassin's Creed is the same mission over and over again, it's the same task. KILL GUY, LISTEN TO MONOLOGUE, RUN LIKE HELL. 100% of shit versus 25% shit. Do the fucking math, motherfucker. [quote] Keep in mind I was referring to the way you get around in the city for the other 95% of the game, which you know and were being purposely obtuse about. [/quote] Huh? Totally lost me here. Are we talking about horses, taxis, walking around, or all four? [quote] Interestingly enough, I asked that exact same question to Charles at qt3, since he was one of the makers of the game. [/quote] Nobody fucking cares. Least of all me. [quote] He said the flag thing was tacked on at the last minute in response to focus groups, and they agreed it sucked and would do better next time rather than just check the collectible box at the last minute. Same for the way the templars were handled, but even those managed to be better than all but the top shelf sidequests in GTA4. [/quote] You know what, lets try this a different way: Name me a side task in Assassins' Creed that gives you a substantive benefit. I didn't see any, and I LOOKED because I was pretty pissed that that was all there was. [quote] Why do I bring this up? Because my point wasn't that AC was perfect, it's just that it did enough right to overcome its defects. Which GTA4 did not, unless you are someone who plays very few games in this genre and don't know better (Quentin!) or someone who probably jerks off every night to the profound character development and high caliber storytelling that Rockstar provided in the game. [/quote] Are you fucking serious? You think the Dan Brown bullshit in Assassin's Creed was better than the storyline in GTAIV? Do you enjoy getting fucked in the eye at a gloryhole too? [quote] That leaves all of those assholes dishing out 10/10 to an obviously flawed product that made a lot of terrible decisions but are too ashamed and deluded to admit it (that's you, Plato). There's middle ground in there, too, but none of it is yours. [/quote] (WITTGENSTEIN) [quote] You lost your shot at it when you actually went with this as the anchor of your argument. [/quote] I'm trying to fathom why you consistently rationalize your bad purchases. If you want to be left to your own devices, fine, but would you keep your stupid opinions on QT3 instead of bringing them here?[/quote]