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	[quote name="Senor Barborito"][quote name="Cyrris"][quote name="Zebco Fuckface"] Then the last panelist spoke. He was an Iraqi dissident named Kanan Makiya, and he said, ''I'm afraid I'm going to strike a discordant note.'' He pointed out that Iraqis, who will pay the highest price in the event of an invasion, ''overwhelmingly want this war.'' He outlined a vision of postwar Iraq as a secular democracy with equal rights for all of its citizens. This vision would be new to the Arab world. ''It can be encouraged, or it can be crushed just like that. But think about what you're doing if you crush it.'' Makiya's voice rose as he came to an end. ''I rest my moral case on the following: if there's a sliver of a chance of it happening, a 5 to 10 percent chance, you have a moral obligation, I say, to do it.'' [/quote] In all honesty, this man is full of shit. If he is a dissident, then he is in exile. If he is in exile, then he has only second-hand information from Iraq AND a motive for bloodying his home country (revenge). There is also a possibility that he is a Kurd and not a true Iraqi (in which case his fellow "Iraqis" would just love to see Iraq and its civilians get butchered by the Daisy Cutters). I refer to the <a href = "http://www.oise.utoronto.ca/projects/kwnet/"> following page</a> for you to at least start your search for more information on what the Kurds are actually like. Essentially, they're a small group of religious nuts who still practice what some would call <a href = "http://www.utoledo.edu/~nlight/smith.htm"> "incest"</a> (specifically, the preferred marriage to first cousins). To put it bluntly, The iraqi people, specifically the "suppressed ones", have no interest in making Iraq "a secular democracy with equal rights". Rather, he and his allies more likely want to keep things as they are. No "true" Muslim would ever stand for women being able to show their faces in public, much less actually vote and take part in government. And even if we were to go over there and take over in the name of Democracy, you know that Saudi Arabia would throw a hissy fit if we even let our service women drive the friggin jeeps. Additionally, this guy mentions a "five to ten percent chance of success" in democratizing Iraq. Thats a 90%-95% failure rate. At this level of probability, you can <b>assume</b> failure. Do you realize what will happen <b>when</b> we fail? Not to mention that there will be a bunch of people who don't want us in a region that still has some significance to Islam (Baghdad has historically been one of their key cities). I won't explain my view on the subject (anyone who has known me for even a few minutes can probably surmise it), but its' going to take more than one bitter exile saying "You <i>MUST</i> do it you ugly, pork-eating infidel!" to convince me that invading Iraq would be profitable to the United States, the World, and most importantly: ME. <b>Prove</b> to me, beyond <b>ALL</b> doubt that conquering Iraq is worth more than the cost AND will reduce/eliminate terrorism, and THEN you will have my full attention. And spare me the "but the little children are starving because of us, so we should help them". If the Iraqis <i>really</i> wanted Saddam gone, they would have gotten rid of them themselves by now. How do I know this? If only 19 of them can kill over 2000 of us AND drive our economy into recession, then I'm sure that the millions who live in Iraq can over throw Hussein. Unless, of course, they're just waiting for us to attack so they can tear us to shreds. -Cyrris[/quote] Nevermind that 15 of those 19 were Saudi Arabians ahem (why aren't we at war with Saudi Arabia? OH YEAH, OIL). But that's a moot point. Do you think the US citizenry could overthrow their government if the military was on the government's side? It'd be a fucking slaughter. Do you think the Iraqi citizenry somehow stand more of a chance? Do you think that Saddam is less willing to slaughter his own citizens than Bush? Come to think of it, that sounds like a fun contest in the making. Point is, they wouldn't make it past "We respectfully dissent becau-" before their brains became so much wall decoration. Saddam cannot be overthrown and anyone suspected of plotting is going to be shot outright. Iraq needs to be liberated from him, doubly so his sons, and his power structure via cronies. They all need to go. What we need is some way to kill or remove them and only them - that's the optimal solution. You're also perfectly right re: democracy would go over about as well as wrapping half the populace in pig entrails and executing them. I'm not for a US friendly dictator, I'm for an Iraq-friendly dictator. --SB[/quote]