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	[quote name="Charles"]http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?t=48423&page=2 Charles How To Go Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 11,733 Oh, see, britain. From everyone I know who's worked over there, british development is still a hellhole. Things are improving in North America though. With respect to game design courses though, I understand their reticence. It's not because you don't have another skill (or at least, it shouldn't be, but there are still the rare company nowadays that don't recognize pure designers), but the fact that ability at being a game designer is not something you can quantify mathematically, as there aren't ever "right" and "wrong" answers. So game design courses don't prove a damn thing. In fact, as a designer myself, I find it laughable that those things even exist. I'm sure they teach you a few things, and I'm sure reading books teach you a few things too, but you simply can't quantify right or wrong, so in the end, what does a degree actually mean? <i>[read: I didn't get a degree so your attempts at cheating, taking a shortcut to the top through your so-called "education" (if you can even call it that), I find laughable! If anything the degree makes you look stupider. That's not fear or jealousy talking. It's cold hard experience.]</i> My experience with other designers (or people playing at designers) in the industry is that you either have it or you don't. And the only way to prove it is through doing. So if you don't have something you designed that's playable, then it's hard to take you seriously. <i>[read: I "have it".]</i> Pure game designer is an uphill battle -- I made it to designer by programming first. But you really have to show ability before anyone cares, after all, everyone can have an idea. <i>[read: Don't even try to follow in my footsteps. You couldn't walk a mile in my shoes. For one thing, I'm very fat. Do you know what it's like to endure an uphill battle when you're a disgusting slob like me? Each sweaty step is harder than the last, and there's no professors out here in the uphill battle to hold your hand or push you along. It's fucking tough. Too tough for you. The only people standing on top of this hill with me are Sid Meier, and the guy who invented chess.]</i>[/quote]