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Star Trek: A Final Unity
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by Mischief Maker 11/18/2009, 9:49am PST |
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Mischief Maker wrote:
Subj: But the fact of the matter is, you DON'T get it!
Other people are already covering what the movie actually is about so all I'll say is this:
Star Trek TMP was trying desperately to be 2001 and failed. sfdebris correctly pegged it as being about nothing. Just because you see some similarities between this movie and TMP does not mean they're the same.
You've been watching too many B movies, you've automatically got your hackles up when watching good ones.
HappyHamlet wrote:
I don't know who you're talking to, but just because someone doesn't like a movie means he just watches crap all the time. There are such things as opinions, after all.
And the other way around too: someone who constantly watches "good" movies can very well have a good opinion about a "bad" movie.
There needs to be some kind of Godwin's 2nd law about people saying "everyone is entitled to an opinion!" as a last ditch defense against losing an argument.
If Confused Matthew said, "I don't like 2001" and I, the savage Kubrickite, responded, "You don't get it," then yes, I would be guilty of not respecting other people's right to an opinion. Instead he made the statement of fact, "2001 is about nothing" then went on to say that the dawn of man and its subsequent space age mirror scene are unnecessary filler. I'm not saying he does not have the right to hate 2001, lord knows it's no "Moulin Rouge," I'm saying he's incorrect and the fact is that the meaning of the scenes, and really the whole movie, went over his head. It's not 2001: Dave and Hal's wacky adventure.
As for the crappy movie comment, you don't have to be sherlock holmes to figure out that CM watches lots of them because, oh, he has an entire website devoted to reviewing crappy movies down to the finest detail. I draw the inference that he came into this movie prepared to hate it because he used the same language describing this movie that sfdebris used to describe Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Star Trek had long stretches devoid of dialogue, too, but unlike 2001, those scenes were pure padding whose meaning was simply, "check out the special effects we went way over budget to produce. Look at them, you bastards, you have no idea how much effort it took to squeeze this money out of the studio execs! Look at it!!!" My bet, CM started watching 2001 fresh from sfebris' review, saw long scenes devoid of dialogue, and jumped to the conclusion that they were the same kind of filler.
And I don't mean to shock anyone, but if you think one minute and forty seconds of establishing landscape shots were too much to take in 2001, stay the hell away from "the shining" because that movie starts with TWO MINUTES AND FIFTY SECONDS of landscape shots until we FINALLY see the damn hotel! And then the next scene is a JOB INTERVIEW! Boring! HELLOOOOOO? We've been watching this movie for almost five minutes now, could somebody please explain what this shining thing is supposed to be???
Shredininja wrote:
please explain what this movie is about as i've never made it though it without sleeping
I [i]know[/i], like, a director totally follows the rule "show, don't tell" for TWO ENTIRE SCENES. Why couldn't we have a voiceover explaining to us that "the hominid ancestors were in pretty desperate straits fighting petty battles with neighboring tribes," followed by, "but then, by the mysterious unknowable influence of the monolith (that big black stone thingy) one of the hominids learned the concept of weapons."
Then when the ape throws the bone into the sky and we switch to the future, an arrow points to the orbital nuclear missile platform and blinks "WEAPON" with a little "ding" sound. Followed by a scene of the space stewardesses dancing on the ceiling with Lionel Richie singing, "look how far the weapon has taken us, and contrast how comfortable life in in the space age compared to the desperate straits of our ancient ancestors!" but then their cartoon animal sidekicks chide them that they're still fighting with the Russians just like the ancient hominids fought with rival tribes.
And when the guy touches the monolith on the moon and that loud ringing starts playing over their speakers, couldn't one of the dudes should have said, "Where is this loud noise coming from?" and another respond, "That monolith, (the big black stone thingy) is emitting radio waves that are being picked up by our communication equipment!" and another could say, "But why would it do that?" and the monolith would respond, "I'm directing the beam toward Jupiter to indicate that you humans should go there, dumbass." And finally one of the dudes says, "Whew! I'm glad you explained what was going on right away instead of ending this scene on an ambiguous note, creating a mystery to be explained later!"
I mean, oh my god, this director expects us to piece together events from scenes without dialogue? What a lousy moviemaker. Anyone who says we missed the point is just a rabid fanboy, like Trekkies. I'm going to call them Kubrikkers to pre-emptively discredit any response. |
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It turns out Confused Matthew is bad at reviewing movies. by Mischief Maker 11/17/2009, 10:19am PST
Sounds pretty much right about 2001, that movie was boring as shit. by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 11/17/2009, 10:27am PST
What's wrong with you? by motherfuckerfoodeater 11/17/2009, 12:09pm PST
I wouldn't even put it in the top 5 Kubrick movies by Hans Clastorp 11/17/2009, 12:25pm PST
If you think EWS > FMJ, there's no question what team you play for. NT by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 11/17/2009, 12:32pm PST
Also he may be a switch hitter. NT by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 11/17/2009, 12:58pm PST
The Killing and Barry Lyndon are way better than either of those. by mark 11/17/2009, 1:41pm PST
Barry Lydon? Are you some kind of queer faggot or something??? by Hans Clastorp 11/17/2009, 2:17pm PST
You shouldn't be so proud of disliking Full Metal Jacket. NT by It makes you look pretentious. 11/17/2009, 3:43pm PST
I'm not afraid of appearing pretentious here by Hans Clastorp 11/17/2009, 6:16pm PST
I thought it was some sort of mangling of Hans Caltrop by Fortinbras 11/17/2009, 8:48pm PST
the first act of fmj is great, the second act is ok too NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 11/17/2009, 4:28pm PST
The Top 5 Kubrick Movies by durgee 11/16/2012, 11:17am PST
Re: The Top 5 Kubrick Movies by Run, gun, and male bonding 11/16/2012, 1:15pm PST
"endorsing brutality in the name of nonconformism" lolololol NT by did he watch past 30 minutes? 11/16/2012, 3:48pm PST
It's 5 minutes of movie stretched out to 2 hours, who needs it. by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 11/17/2009, 12:57pm PST
He's creexul by Mischief Maker 11/17/2009, 1:06pm PST
Re: He's creexul by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 11/17/2009, 1:09pm PST
2001 is pretty boring, this is not a controversial opinion. NT by Fullofkittens 11/17/2009, 1:28pm PST
2001 is not boring. It is slow. by motherfuckerfoodeater 11/17/2009, 6:28pm PST
It is beyond slow, it is inert. NT by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 11/17/2009, 7:11pm PST
it actually goes backwards in time to waste even more time, that's how slow it i NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 11/17/2009, 7:43pm PST
Way to repeat yourselves with more exclamation points, guys. NT by motherfuckerfoodeater 11/17/2009, 7:55pm PST
There aren't any exclamation points they look like this: ! NT by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 11/18/2009, 8:47am PST
Hrm, yes, the composition of the cinematography offsets the boringness. by Fullofkittens 11/17/2009, 8:18pm PST
Re: Hrm, yes, the composition of the cinematography offsets the boringness. by motherfuckerfoodeater 11/17/2009, 8:22pm PST
Fell asleep like 15 minutes in. Maybe it gets funny after that? NT by Fullofkittens 11/17/2009, 8:25pm PST
what the fuck, you people are all narcolepti-ZZZZZZZZ NT by up with pod people 11/17/2009, 8:39pm PST
Too bad Larry the Cable guy wasn't around to make a cameo. NT by Mischief Maker 11/17/2009, 9:35pm PST
He was, for all I know NT by Fullofkittens 11/18/2009, 9:26am PST
You stupid haggis NT by Entropy Stew 11/17/2009, 10:13pm PST
laudablepuss or Fullofkittens NT by Choson 11/18/2009, 10:55am PST
I *liked* 2001. Now we're different. by laudablepuss 11/18/2009, 3:29pm PST
Whoops, the conversation had moved to Dr. Strangelove. I liked that too. by laudablepuss 11/18/2009, 3:31pm PST
Barry Lyndon by Noi Dau Non 11/17/2009, 9:09pm PST
Steven King also thought Kubrick missed the point of his book. by Mischief Maker 11/17/2009, 9:39pm PST
Is Barry gay NT by is that the big twist he's a homo 11/18/2009, 12:01am PST
That's cute but dumb (so like a woman) by Noi Dau Don 11/18/2009, 10:02am PST
serial emotional rapist, AND habitual line stepper NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 11/17/2009, 4:14pm PST
It's not three consecutive playthroughs of Mass Effect but then what is? by Jerry Whorebach 11/17/2009, 2:24pm PST
mass effect is a much better media experience, yes by Weyoun Voidbringer 11/17/2009, 4:27pm PST
cm is hit or miss but as far as I am concerned he is absolutely correct about 20 by Weyoun Voidbringer 11/17/2009, 4:21pm PST
This is a funny jsoh post NT by This is Chris's Blood 07/11/2011, 10:51pm PDT
Re: It turns out Confused Matthew is bad at reviewing movies. by laudablepuss 11/17/2009, 10:54am PST
That's probably because Nemesis is the second worst Trek movie ever. NT by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 11/17/2009, 11:36am PST
*fan dance* NT by Entropy Stew 11/17/2009, 1:22pm PST
I'm not sure whether Nemesis is worse than TMP or not. by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 11/17/2009, 1:44pm PST
Have you people blacked out Generations or something? WAY worse than N or TMP NT by Mischief Maker 11/17/2009, 1:50pm PST
kirk dies so it's required viewing, nemisis and st5 are not NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 11/17/2009, 4:15pm PST
Kirk's lame death was the midichlorions of Star Trek. NT by Mischief Maker 11/17/2009, 9:22pm PST
It was better than the first one they filmed. by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 11/18/2009, 8:49am PST
Re: It turns out Confused Matthew is bad at reviewing movies. by Chairman Mao 11/17/2009, 12:45pm PST
BAUDRILLARD!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( NT by mark 11/17/2009, 1:38pm PST
Re: I've been studying Philosophy for FOUR YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NT by Rev. Sun Myung Moon 11/18/2009, 12:43am PST
"philosophy major" is all you need to know NT by screechy faggot 11/19/2009, 12:45am PST
Its true. :-( NT by Chairman Mao 11/19/2009, 7:48am PST
My quest to be banned from the internet continues by Mischief Maker 11/18/2009, 9:49am PST
Re: My quest to be banned from the internet continues by shedininja 12/29/2009, 8:46pm PST
Re: My quest to be banned from the internet continues by shedininja 12/29/2009, 8:47pm PST
It only took them 45 days! I'm impressed! NT by Fortinbras 12/29/2009, 9:22pm PST
Re: My quest to be banned from the internet continues by HappyHamlet 12/29/2009, 8:48pm PST
Re: My quest to be banned from the internet continues by Souffle of Pain 12/29/2009, 8:50pm PST
Re: My quest to be banned from the internet continues by shedininja 12/29/2009, 8:53pm PST
ICJ file this post under another negative review of the Caltrops BBS =( NT by Fortinbras 12/29/2009, 9:23pm PST
YOUR BANED, MISTER by laudablepuss 12/30/2009, 10:17am PST
Re: My quest to be banned from the internet continues by imdefender 12/29/2009, 8:54pm PST
Re: My quest to be banned from the internet continues by shedininja 12/29/2009, 8:57pm PST
lol imdefender NT by up with pod people 12/30/2009, 9:10am PST
8) NT by Fortinbras 12/30/2009, 2:25pm PST
NERRRD by Cloaked Warbird 11/18/2009, 7:07pm PST
That guy's worse than the worst Confused Matthew reviews by FABIO 11/19/2009, 9:58am PST
SF Dbrees is an actual reviewer, that's the difference. by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 11/19/2009, 10:05am PST
Part 2 of his 2001 review is (finally) up. by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 11/27/2009, 12:31am PST
Part 3 is up (also the new Mercury Rev album is out). by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 12/02/2009, 3:55pm PST
I gotta say he is totally correct about everything NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 12/02/2009, 11:23pm PST
I think the worst is Matthew's review of The Golden Compass by Jerry Whorebach 12/12/2009, 10:24pm PST
Re: It turns out Confused Matthew is bad at reviewing movies. by shedininja 12/29/2009, 8:58pm PST
So, are you guys the Cuntfused Mathew fanclub or something? by Jerry Whorebach 12/29/2009, 10:51pm PST
Let's all follow PiratesVSninja's rules by FABIO 12/30/2009, 6:22am PST
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