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Re: More like beating your time on Rubik's cube (feet only, blindfolded). by Mischief Maker 04/13/2011, 4:40pm PDT
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American kids used to just get 2 games a year so they were forced to replay for score and with imposed challenges. Also, most of the games were made by Japanese for Japanese so a lot of soulless grind chorejobs were packaged as games in the US. However, after we could rent games or at least convince our parents to buy them more often then guess what? We still played the shit out of our games but we began to chose fun over work.

For proof, look at the billion hours spent on multiplayer FPS games. Or Madden. Or Angry Birds. The bragging rights from a 15952749283749283 score (the next highest player got 15952749283739283 !!!) is replaced, correctly, by achievements, gold star completions, and win/loss ratios.

I had a roommate that would get baked and make 1cc attempts on Zelda. Picking up that wooden sword over and over and over and over and over again. I wonder why that didn't catch on with a wider audience? Probably because the unwashed masses are so primitive in what they "think" is "enjoyable".


Well now I've got to finish this article because clearly the first draft didn't get my point across since you guys keep saying things that back up my points like they're putdowns. The guy I was replying to said the best way to make shmups appeal to modern gamers is by shoehorning in a lot of RPG grind. I was saying how the rental culture led to grindfest RPGs getting over-rated and challenging action games getting the short shrift.

I never said Americans don't want challenging games, fabio's point about Crimsonlands is the same thing I was saying about Serious Sam and Geometry Wars. And Achievements being some huge evolutionary step above scoring? What do you have to do to get achievements besides grind? Get a certain score? Achievements are just your high scores viewed through a very blurry lens.

I don't believe you were around when I first linked this, fabio, but this pretty much sums up my thoughts about people saying that bullet hell shmups are some kind of impossible challenge:

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Why Americans don't 1 Credit Clear Shmups and other Arcade games. by Mischief Maker 04/12/2011, 7:33pm PDT NEW
    So I check back and you're still doing this by fabio 04/12/2011, 8:07pm PDT NEW
        Re: So I check back and you're still doing this by Mischief Maker 04/13/2011, 4:19am PDT NEW
            Just saying your energy is better used elsewhere by fabio 04/13/2011, 1:18pm PDT NEW
                You only hated BWR. You loved Cho Ren Sha 68K and you hated Ikaruga, too. by Mischief Maker 04/13/2011, 5:40pm PDT NEW
                    See, right here by fabio 04/13/2011, 7:19pm PDT NEW
                        Re: See, right here by Mischief Maker 04/14/2011, 1:47am PDT NEW
                            Re: See, right here by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/14/2011, 9:13am PDT NEW
                                Raiden II (as half of The Raiden Project) was a PS1 launch title in '95. by You're thinking of Raiden III. 04/14/2011, 10:36am PDT NEW
                            are you really comparing Geometry Wars to that awful game you forced upon us? by Worm 04/14/2011, 12:17pm PDT NEW
                    Re: You only hated BWR. You loved Cho Ren Sha 68K and you hated Ikaruga, too. by Bananadine 04/14/2011, 11:53am PDT NEW
    Shmup Mastery: Like being crowned Hackeysack champion NT by You big faggot 04/13/2011, 9:36am PDT NEW
        More like beating your time on Rubik's cube (feet only, blindfolded). by Last 04/13/2011, 10:45am PDT NEW
            yeah this by fabio 04/13/2011, 1:02pm PDT NEW
            Re: More like beating your time on Rubik's cube (feet only, blindfolded). by Mischief Maker 04/13/2011, 4:40pm PDT NEW
                Also, 1CC means "One Credit Clear." You don't have to put quarters into an NES NT by to play Zelda. Mischief Maker 04/13/2011, 5:22pm PDT NEW
                Re: More like beating your time on Rubik's cube (feet only, blindfolded). by fabio 04/13/2011, 7:08pm PDT NEW
                    How is it MM has a PC that can store gigabytes of pornography but not run WOW? by Not Quetinbec 04/13/2011, 9:19pm PDT NEW
                Re: More like beating your time on Rubik's cube (feet only, blindfolded). by Last 04/15/2011, 7:48am PDT NEW
    I would play your jap games, but I feel like they give me small seizures NT by Mysterio 04/13/2011, 6:35pm PDT NEW
        Re: I would play your jap games, but I feel like they give me small seizures by Mysterio 04/13/2011, 6:38pm PDT NEW
            The closest you're going to get is probably Raiden II, with its toothpaste laser by Jerry Whorebach 04/13/2011, 9:09pm PDT NEW
                That's a cool laser right there. NT by Gutsby 04/14/2011, 10:36am PDT NEW
 
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