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by Commander Tansin A. Darcos 06/02/2013, 2:04am PDT |
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Back in 2005. Senor Barborito wrote:
Seriously, don't you ever learn? wrote:
He said basically you have posted to the public domain on someone else's message board. You can certainly assert anything you like, and they can claim to grant you anything they like in regards to copyright. But unless money is involved or someone is reproducing your work stating that they created it, there's nothing much to see here. Specificly, he said almost all fair use rules can be defensibly applied here. Criticism, comment, reporting all apply and the burden suddenly is laid on you to explain to a judge why your freely available publicly accessible work that exists on someone else's website can't be quoted, even in it's entirety, as long as they are stating you wrote it when no financial damage occurs to you. There's the letter of the law, and then there's the amount of work people are willing to pay/do to nitpick it to death.
First off, I do not for a minute believe that posting to the Internet has ever been considered publishing to the public domain, ever. This topic is interesting enough to me that I'll bother to read up on some cases this evening - MPAA vs. 2600 should have some bearing hee, amongst others.
I wanted to reply to this even though it is a few years old (I was looking for something else), and because I thought it was an interesting (and very common) misunderstanding. To quote the Board of Inqury in the movie, Crimson Tide, "On the record, you were both right. But you were also both wrong. Off the record, you both created one hell of a mess."
No, it is not in the Public Domain, he does own his words and has a copyright on what he writes; this copyright is automatic, requires no notice, and this has been the rule in the U.S. since 1988 when the U.S. became a member of the Berne Convention. However, fair use does apply here. "Even unauthorized uses of a copyrighted work are not necessarily infringing. An unlicensed use of the copyright is not an infringement unless it conflicts with one of the specific exclusive rights conferred by the copyright statute. Twentieth Century Music Corp. v. Aiken, 422 U.S. at 154-155... Copyright protection "subsists . . . in original works of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression." 17 U.S.C. ยง 102(a) (1982 ed.). This protection has never accorded the copyright owner complete control over all possible uses of his work... A challenge to a noncommercial use of a copyrighted work requires proof [] that the particular use is harmful... Actual present harm need not be shown; such a requirement would leave the copyright holder with no defense against predictable damage. Nor is it necessary to show with certainty that future harm will result. What is necessary is a showing by a preponderance of the evidence that some meaningful likelihood of future harm exists. If the intended use is for commercial gain, that likelihood may be presumed. But if it is for a noncommercial purpose, the likelihood must be demonstrated..." - Sony Corp v. Universal City Studios, 464 U.S. 417 at 464 (1984).
Assuming for a second your 'lawyer friend' is correct, my immediate followup question is what happens if I copy my Metafilter post into a JPG, slap it on a CafePress T-shirt, sell one to my Aunt Ethel, and THEN mail you a DMCA takedown formletter? You don't send a DMCA takedown notice to the poster, you send it to the owner of record of the website. Since posers, err I mean posters here, can't remove their postings, only the owner of the website could do that anyway. The owner of the website (Ice Cream Jonsey, for Caltrops) would also send a copy of your notice to the poster as well, which is a requirement of the law. So the poster could also then send the owner of record of the website a counter-notice claiming you're wrong, that it is fair use and they are not infringing, and then naming the court where you can sue them. You then have 10 days to do exactly that. If you don't sue within 10 days, the use is then considered not infringing until suit is filed, and the original posting can be left up (if it was not taken down because the response was received very quickly) or restored if it was taken down.
Also, a DMCA notice made in bad faith can subject the copyright owner to damages including compliance costs, court costs and attorney's fees if it is shown that the usage really was non-infringing, e.g. as legitimate obvious fair use.
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I found archives of the first 9 months by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 9:14am PST
One other thing by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 9:22am PST
Re: One other thing by Mysterio 01/17/2005, 9:37am PST
Re: One other thing by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 9:41am PST
Re: One other thing by Fussbett 01/17/2005, 10:09am PST
Re: One other thing by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 10:20am PST
Re: One other thing by Creexul :( 01/17/2005, 6:22pm PST
Re: One other thing by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 6:33pm PST
Yeah by Motherhead 01/17/2005, 6:41pm PST
Good point...... OR IS IT?! by Ray of Light 01/17/2005, 10:25pm PST
Hahahaha [does] NT by Creexul :( 01/17/2005, 10:30pm PST
PS by Creexul :( 01/17/2005, 10:35pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by veronica 01/17/2005, 10:05am PST
Nice Ator by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 10:12am PST
How do we know you're not just Zseni fucking around? by Zseni 01/17/2005, 10:34am PST
A couple things by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 10:39am PST
Oh, duh. The obvious one. by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 10:51am PST
Re: Oh, duh. The obvious one. by Zseni 01/17/2005, 12:09pm PST
No, it's real by Entropy Stew 01/17/2005, 10:39am PST
Re: How do we know you're not just Zseni fucking around? by Mysterio 01/26/2005, 3:32pm PST
Re: How do we know you're not just Zseni fucking around? by Mysterio 01/26/2005, 3:33pm PST
Re: How do we know you're not just Zseni fucking around? by Mysterio 01/26/2005, 3:35pm PST
C'mon SB by Give us the deep dish 01/17/2005, 11:25am PST
I think veronica is actually dead by Bunyip 01/18/2005, 4:56pm PST
but how many blowjobs are you getting (daily) AT THIS TIME THE VERY MOMENT (NOW) NT by Kthor 01/17/2005, 10:26am PST
Not as many as I fantasize about you giving me (daily) NT by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 10:36am PST
Me neither. NT by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 10:37am PST
I'm just on the VERGE of forgetting about that whole ugly incident. by Fussbett 01/17/2005, 11:31am PST
Re: I'm just on the VERGE of forgetting about that whole ugly incident. by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 11:55am PST
Ha ha, yeah, I got a bit crazy there. by Fussbett 01/17/2005, 12:55pm PST
Re: Ha ha, yeah, I got a bit crazy there. by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 1:08pm PST
Re: I'm just on the VERGE of forgetting about that whole ugly incident. by Kthor 01/17/2005, 1:00pm PST
Actually I was referring to my gerbil's cage. Those guys are the best. NT by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 1:12pm PST
DON'T WRITE ABOUT ME ON THE SITE AFTER I AM GONE *LAWYER* by Eyo 01/17/2005, 11:46am PST
And you're an illiterate moron. NT by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 11:58am PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by laudablepuss 01/17/2005, 11:55am PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 11:58am PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by laudablepuss 01/17/2005, 12:21pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 12:28pm PST
Et tu, laudable?! by I need clarification 01/17/2005, 1:15pm PST
I just thought the entire internet should know that laudablepuss is awesome. by Creexul :( 01/17/2005, 8:51pm PST
Side note AIM log by Fussbett 01/17/2005, 1:03pm PST
*SHRUGS* NT by mark 01/17/2005, 1:12pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by mark 01/17/2005, 1:11pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 1:20pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Kthor 01/17/2005, 1:40pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 1:48pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Kab(uke) Seme 01/17/2005, 3:24pm PST
Wait a minute by Mysterio 01/17/2005, 6:03pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Harry Crews 01/17/2005, 5:38pm PST
Exactly. by Kab(uke) Seme 01/17/2005, 3:11pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Fussbett 01/17/2005, 1:22pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 1:50pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 1:53pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 1:56pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 2:02pm PST
The silver lining here... by I need clarification 01/17/2005, 1:16pm PST
oh NT by whydirt 01/17/2005, 2:10pm PST
A little note about the DMCA that people should know. by Jack's Inflamed Colon's Law Firm 01/17/2005, 2:26pm PST
Wonderful by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 2:41pm PST
Re: Wonderful by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 2:43pm PST
Because you can't read by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 2:45pm PST
Re: Because you can't read by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 2:55pm PST
Re: Because you can't read by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 3:02pm PST
Re: Because you can't read by Mysterio Lollerson 01/17/2005, 3:10pm PST
Re: Because you can't read by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 3:15pm PST
Re: Because you can't read by Bill Dungsroman 01/18/2005, 6:55pm PST
Re: Because you can't read by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 3:19pm PST
Response: In which I remind you you are SB and subject to your own inherent flaw by Jack's Inflamed Colon's Law Firm 01/17/2005, 3:27pm PST
Re: Response: In which I remind you you are SB and subject to your own inherent by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 6:03pm PST
no more time to school you, I asked a lawyer. by Seriously, don't you ever learn? 01/17/2005, 6:54pm PST
Clearly you need to read more websites. NT by I need clarification 01/17/2005, 7:13pm PST
Haha NT by Matthew Holland 06/02/2013, 4:18am PDT
Re: no more time to school you, I asked a lawyer. by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 7:14pm PST
Re: no more time to school you, I asked a lawyer. by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 7:33pm PST
You're not a lawyer. I could care less what your opinion of case law is. by Just go away no one wants you here 01/17/2005, 9:11pm PST
Re: no more time to school you, I asked a lawyer. by Choson 01/17/2005, 10:35pm PST
Re: no more time to school you, I asked a lawyer. by Choson 01/17/2005, 10:32pm PST
Re: no more time to school you, I asked a lawyer. by Creexul :( 01/17/2005, 10:44pm PST
I'm still waiting for a giant banner of that to grace the front page NT by When is that going to happen? 01/18/2005, 12:39am PST
The new front page by Fussbett 01/18/2005, 2:09am PST
if you click no it should also automatically call the DMCA and your mom (NT) by Kthor 01/18/2005, 8:21am PST
Re: no more time to school you, I asked a lawyer. by I need clarification 01/18/2005, 4:26pm PST
Re: no more time to school you, I asked a lawyer. by Commander Tansin A. Darcos 06/02/2013, 2:04am PDT
Re: A little note about the DMCA that people should know. by Commander Tansin A. Darcos 06/02/2013, 2:31am PDT
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Tony 01/17/2005, 3:20pm PST
Shut up, give them to ICJ, leave. by Bill Dungsroman 01/17/2005, 3:30pm PST
Time to mention of the GA gang: a record breaking several hours. (nt) by GA Gang. 01/17/2005, 3:44pm PST
I want a gang too :( NT by Mysterio 01/17/2005, 3:48pm PST
Can't you just focus your blame onto BDR? NT by We certainly do. 01/17/2005, 9:48pm PST
Re: Shut up, give them to ICJ, leave. by I need clarification 01/17/2005, 4:16pm PST
Re: Shut up, give them to ICJ, leave. by Bill Dungsroman 01/17/2005, 4:39pm PST
I don't give a damn on dead cockroach about you. >:[ NT by I need clarification 01/17/2005, 4:44pm PST
FYI by The Friends of spanky 01/17/2005, 4:54pm PST
Re: FYI by Bill Dungsroman 01/17/2005, 6:33pm PST
Re: Shut up, give them to ICJ, leave. by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 5:14pm PST
Re: Shut up, give them to ICJ, leave. by Bill Dungsroman 01/17/2005, 8:00pm PST
Re: Shut up, give them to ICJ, leave. by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 8:50pm PST
Re: Shut up, give them to ICJ, leave. by Bill Dungsroman 01/18/2005, 12:03am PST
FRONTPAGE NT by Entropy Stew 01/18/2005, 12:47am PST
SECONDED NT by Kab(uke) Seme 01/18/2005, 4:43am PST
Oh, please by I need clarification 01/18/2005, 10:25am PST
Shut your jewhole by Entropy Stew 01/18/2005, 1:08pm PST
I had no idea how you'd work "jew" into your post. Well played. NT by mark 01/18/2005, 3:22pm PST
Vichy Stew, as always, appeasing the SB/BDR reich. :( NT by I need clarification 01/18/2005, 4:16pm PST
In a single thread, you have managed to out-crazy SB and suck more dick than V by Entropy Stew 01/19/2005, 12:21am PST
No one has out-crazied sb. :( NT by Creexul :( 01/19/2005, 12:22am PST
Well, at least we agree about the cocksucking NT by Entropy Stew 01/19/2005, 12:44am PST
So, how does it feel? by Bill Dungsroman 01/18/2005, 2:22pm PST
I noticed you didn't deny secretly IMing SB. NT by I need clarification 01/18/2005, 4:16pm PST
SECRET IM CONVERSATIONS, WHEN WILL IT END??? by Mysterio 01/18/2005, 6:30pm PST
I don't bother reading the boring cunty bullshit you type. Fuck you. NT by Bill Dungsroman 01/18/2005, 6:35pm PST
Haha, I don't need SB while I have BDR. NT by I need clarification 01/18/2005, 7:11pm PST
Ink is probably right though, you're constantly IMing sb at this moment. :( NT by Creexul :( 01/19/2005, 12:25am PST
Only crazy people use AIM. NT by whydirt 01/19/2005, 12:42am PST
This is the kind of thinking that guaranteed you an omega-level classload NT by Entropy Stew 01/19/2005, 12:42am PST
What's omega-level? :( NT by Creexul :( 01/19/2005, 2:56am PST
Re: What's omega-level? :( by Mister Helper 01/19/2005, 4:28am PST
Well I'm in the same class and grade levels as everyone else. NT by Creexul :( 01/19/2005, 7:28am PST
No. NT by Bill Dungsroman 01/19/2005, 1:06am PST
When, exactly, did you turn into a woman? NT by whydirt 01/18/2005, 5:08pm PST
I know you're kind of dim, whydurst, so I will assume you're referring to BDR by I need clarification 01/18/2005, 7:34pm PST
I'm referring to you, you dumb cunt. by whydirt 01/18/2005, 8:21pm PST
Wow, that's your second-best post this week (and by extension, ever) by I need clarification 01/18/2005, 8:34pm PST
Why doesn't anyone pay attention to MEEEEEEEEEEEEE. NT by I need attention 01/18/2005, 10:30pm PST
They actually do. Or haven't you been paying attention? NT by I need clarification 01/18/2005, 10:33pm PST
*clap* *clap* *clap* NT by Mysterio 01/19/2005, 7:39am PST
That post was a Hulk transformation. by laudablepuss 01/18/2005, 8:39pm PST
Don't you see? We need a foil! SB is it! by Zseni is too gay for it 01/21/2005, 5:46pm PST
Senor Barborito: Homosayswhat muse? by Choson 01/18/2005, 6:51am PST
Re: Senor Barborito: Homosayswhat muse? by chimp 01/18/2005, 3:50pm PST
Re: Shut up, give them to ICJ, leave. by Creexul :( 01/17/2005, 10:15pm PST
Re: Shut up, give them to ICJ, leave. by Creexul :( 01/17/2005, 9:59pm PST
Re: Shut up, give them to ICJ, leave. by Fussbett 01/17/2005, 11:15pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Ice Cream Jonsey 01/17/2005, 4:10pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Zseni 01/17/2005, 4:18pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 5:31pm PST
Stop talking about legal liability. There is none in the situation you describe by Don't make me school you again. 01/17/2005, 5:45pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Ice Cream Jonsey 01/17/2005, 6:11pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Senor Barborito 01/17/2005, 6:31pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Ice Cream Jonsey 01/17/2005, 6:52pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Chairman Mao 01/18/2005, 2:41am PST
How fucking insane was I to deal with this shit on a regular basis? by Entropy Stew 01/17/2005, 9:20pm PST
Also by Entropy Stew 01/17/2005, 10:10pm PST
Bipolar people: barely human. by Creexul :( 01/17/2005, 10:07pm PST
DMCA TERRORISM by Maxime Faget 01/17/2005, 11:00pm PST
here SB, you wanted to know why people still get mad at you? by Kapow 01/17/2005, 11:10pm PST
Re: I found archives of the first 9 months by Souffle of Pain 01/17/2005, 11:40pm PST
This will mysteriously get overwritten when the old posts are restored NT by Entropy Stew 01/17/2005, 11:49pm PST
Yeah, kind of regret posting that these days. NT by Souffle of Pain 07/06/2007, 7:23pm PDT
Talking points by foolio, late riser 01/17/2005, 11:45pm PST
Pretty huge, guys. Pretty huge. by Mysterio 01/18/2005, 2:09am PST
Moron. by The One, Natural One, Make It Easy 01/18/2005, 3:49am PST
What an asshole by Roop Dirump 01/18/2005, 5:00am PST
Something I forgot about until I read your post. by Fullofkittens 01/18/2005, 1:19pm PST
This thread has improved my opinion of so many posters. by Zseni 01/18/2005, 1:26pm PST
barbie is everybody's fat friend by Kthor 01/19/2005, 8:51am PST
Holy shit by Matthew Holland 06/02/2013, 4:19am PDT
Re: Holy shit by Roop 06/03/2013, 6:32am PDT
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