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| Gender Politics has its greatest moment ever. by Souffle of Pain 06/11/2013, 10:30am PDT | ||||
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| This is pretty much how it is right now over at Rock Paper Shotgun:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/06/10/busted-ghostcontrol-inc-scares-up-funding/ An indie game has a piece of hand-drawn art. The girl depicted is looking over her shoulder. This stirs something in the fucking idiots that comment over there. They seem to recall something... oh yeah... that pose.... is BAD. Nnnnngrrggghhh! They don't know why it's bad, but they know that they are expected to tear this fucking game apart. Here is everything they generated. Some reasonable people are effectively calling the stupid-shit children out as the fucking retards they are. But not many. RedViv says: The boob&butt pose! IT HURTS! Please, developers: Be better than that. Make it go away! Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 15:40 Snids says: Stop oppressing my right to objectify women. You are literally worse than Hitler etc etc. Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 15:42 Fred S. says: There’s a woman there? All I see is a cartoon. Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 15:49 Snids says: I believe it is a cartoon depiction of a women. A cartoon being a term for a form of two-dimensional illustrated visual art. Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 16:03 Fred S. says: How would any object on a computer screen be any less objectified if it was drawn differently? 10/06/2013 at 16:15 RedViv says: Snids, I think we magnificent shapeshifting light beings should stop arguing on a higher level with these meat/chemical/electricity robots, because clearly they only want to see the most basic thing without pondering how the parts add up to more. 10/06/2013 at 16:37 Fred S. says: While you ponder about how things add up, you might also want to ponder what you’re adding to the thing yourself. 10/06/2013 at 23:06 bella404 says: If you think Pamela`s story is amazing…, last pay cheque my sister in-law basically also got a cheque for $9740 grafting a 20 hour week in their apartment and the’re friend’s ex-wife`s neighbour has been doing this for 9-months and recieved a check for over $9740 parttime from a computer. use the steps at this address, kep2.com 10/06/2013 at 15:48 Brun says: Eh, they could be doing worse. The woman is wearing the exact same outfit as the men (same level of bagginess and all), which is more than many games can say. Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 16:24 RedViv says: That point is immediately invalidated by how close it clings to her body, proudly shaping an unrestrained boob to look at. Then again, that might be why she is staring at the camera in such surprise. “Oops, caught me, not wearing a bra for my high-movement activity!” Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 16:29 DrScuttles says: If it’s any consolation, the Ghostbuster fellow on the right does appear to have moved his gun out of the way of his crotch so he can thrust it into that poor ghosts shoulder without consent. Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 16:33 RedViv says: Hmm. I could not quite put my finger on it until now, but I realised who he reminded me of: http://i.qkme.me/3tf6ec.jpg 10/06/2013 at 16:30 Brun says: My point was that it wasn’t “painted-on” as in some other games, clearly indicated by the wrinkles on the sleeve and back. And yes, women and men have different proportions. That’s just biology (anatomy?). The same outfit will fit and look differently on women than it will on men. I don’t get the outrage really. As I said, this is incredibly tame compared to a plethora of other titles. Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 16:44 RedViv says: Oh, obviously it will look different. Just not like that. It’s not even an outrage, just a reminder to not put female characters into a physically painful pose purely to portray their possession of secondary female sexual characteristics. Because apparently people still need to be reminded, despite the occasional voice on the interwebs yelling “We get it! Now stop talking about it!”. 10/06/2013 at 17:02 Arkh says: Stand up. Face north. Now turn your torso until your nipple is pointing either to west or east. You will see it’s possible to stand in that position, with your male nipple the same way that woman breast is, without feeling pain. Here, it’s shown in this image. Position 10. It’s used as a stretch exercise. BEWARE: THERE ARE DEPICTIONS OF WOMEN BELOW. IF YOU GET OFFENDED BY DEPICTIONS OF WOMEN, DON’T OPEN THE LINK. http://draggarwal.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/office-stretches.jpg 10/06/2013 at 17:56 1Life0Continues says: My only question is why does it have to be the woman that is posed that way? Couldn’t she be facing forward in a less demonstrably sexy way like her male companions? Does she *HAVE* to be standing like that? Shouldn’t she be facing the ghost too? There’s more to it than just the clothes. That’s a classic pose used to “enhance” women that is rarely, if ever, used on men. I think that’s why it was pointed out. And rightfully so. 10/06/2013 at 18:21 Arkh says: My only question is why does it have to be the woman that is posed that way? Couldn’t she be facing forward in a less demonstrably sexy way like her male companions? Why couldn’t she stand like that? The first time I saw the image, I thought she was caught off guard by the ghost and is turning around in surprise. And that image is everything but sexy. Her pose isn’t sexy and she isn’t drawn to be sexy. Not to mention the center of the attention in the image is on the ghost, not her. Does she *HAVE* to be standing like that? Shouldn’t she be facing the ghost too? Caught by surprise. If it was a man, would you think it’s a homosexual in a sexy pose? There’s more to it than just the clothes. That’s a classic pose used to “enhance” women that is rarely, if ever, used on men. I think that’s why it was pointed out. And rightfully so. That’s just like saying rockets are designed to resemble penis to keep women down. It’s just an image, people are just seeing what they want to see in an image to keep their ongoing social justice jihad so it doesn’t die. All I see is one guy ready to fire in a ghost, the other one getting ready and a surprised woman. Maybe the ghost was facing her then it blinked and appeared behind her, only to be surprise by the other guys. Maybe they were chasing the ghosts and passed running straight through her and she is looking behind to see the action. But no, it clearly can only be that the developers want to suck your money by showing that oh so sexy drawing of a woman with a surprised look in a green jumpsuit. 10/06/2013 at 18:24 Machinations says: There is a parable, I believe, about those who go looking for something. They see it everywhere, to the point more balanced, less obsessed folk begin to tune them out. 10/06/2013 at 18:53 Canisa says: @Arkh Even assuming that it’s pure coincidence that the woman is in the same pose as oh-so-many-other women purely by coincidence and it genuinely has nothing to do with that greater context, the question then becomes “Why is the woman the one who’s been caught unaware while the men are competent and on top of the situation?” Although this example doesn’t bother me as much as some others – if I’m honest I will probably forget about it entirely the moment I press ‘opinion, away!’ – it still bothers me a little. 10/06/2013 at 19:01 Arkh says: Even assuming that it’s pure coincidence that the woman is in the same pose as oh-so-many-other women purely by coincidence and it genuinely has nothing to do with that greater context, the question then becomes “Why is the woman the one who’s been caught unaware while the men are competent and on top of the situation?” Why couldn’t she be the one surprised? I see nothing wrong with it. Does a woman being surprised necessarly mean she is weak? No, you are the one implying it. The whole Why is the woman the one who’s been caught unaware while the men are competent and on top of the situation? Is just like, your opinion, man. For me, she was facing the ghost, as the weapon in her hand shows, and it passed through her. Although this example doesn’t bother me as much as some others – if I’m honest I will probably forget about it entirely the moment I press ‘opinion, away!’ – it still bothers me a little. Because you too is chasing ghosts. Even assuming that it’s pure coincidence that the woman is in the same pose as oh-so-many-other women BEHOLD, MEN LOOKING OVER THEIR SHOULDERS. SHOCKING SEXUALIZATION, YOU CAN SEE THEIR BUTTS AND BREASTS IN SOME PICS! http://www.google.com/search?q=man+looking+back+over+shoulder&um=1&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hl=en&tbm=isch&ei=ZRK2Ud–EejV0QGDtIDACA&start=20&sa=N 10/06/2013 at 19:22 aldo_14 says: Caught by surprise. If it was a man, would you think it’s a homosexual in a sexy pose? To my knowledge, neither breast nor nipples are not considered one of the primary sexually attractive parts of the male body. I guess, roughly, the equivalent you’re actually looking for is if the artist somehow managed to draw such that you could see both the gentlemens bottom and the outline of his crotch. That given, it’s rather odd to assume a man drawn in a sexy pose, so to speak, would be aimed at catching the attention of gay men. Demographics would suggest you’d really be aiming such a pose at heterosexual females (as I understand it, women judge sexual attractiveness in a less visual way than men, so it wouldn’t be as effective a tactic, though…). If you were targeting the gay male gamer demographic, then perhaps you might indeed draw a sexy man. But the sexy man would have a different pose even with the same intent. 10/06/2013 at 15:51 lowprices says: It turns out Ghost Control is the harrowing tale of a woman born without a spinal column. Either that or one of the stretch goals will be to hire an artist who understands how spines work. Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 15:54 Arkh says: NO! THE HORROR! This woman should wear a burka so any woman shape or trace is buried in it. Allah is displeased with all this show of woman traces! Look, we can even see her hair! Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 16:02 Turkey says: I don’t think he was complaining about the outfit. Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 16:04 Arkh says: No, the problem with the outfit is you clearly see a woman shape. That is a preposterous objectification of women across the globe! You can even see her clearly sexy butt in that sexy outfit! Woman wearing burkas should be the standard in all games, so all the vile men out there would stop objectifying women. Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 16:18 Cryptoshrimp says: Oh go soak your head. 10/06/2013 at 16:21 Arkh says: Away with you, defender of this outrage. May Allah wrath descend upon you! May your daughters wear such objectifying clothes as these and look behind for a moment, bringing shame on your family by showing their woman shape! 10/06/2013 at 16:37 JFS says: I found it funny. 11/06/2013 at 04:33 The Infamous Woodchuck says: You do realize muslims also read this site dont you? insulting a group of people while trying to give them a point wont get you anywhere.. 10/06/2013 at 17:36 jimbobjunior says: To those who can’t see the issue. Look how out of place does this look when reversed http://i.huffpost.com/gen/601922/thumbs/o-SEXIST-AVENGERS-POSTER-KEVIN-BOLK-570.jpg Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 17:58 1Life0Continues says: Bravo sir. Also, for your consideration: http://eschergirls.tumblr.com Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 18:28 Arkh says: Look, they all have clearly round, defined butts just like the woman on the drawing has! Oh no, she doesn’t have. It’s just a flat butt. So sexy. Log in to Reply 11/06/2013 at 02:30 Grover says: Hulk in nearly the same pose as the female in this – http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Cff9BcphNRqN2l0n3AjUew–/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA–/http://l.yimg.com/os/251/2013/03/29/therealbreakdown-butt630-jpg_012556.jpg Stop objectifying his green muscular man mutton! Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 17:38 wodin says: Please behave…jumping on a moralistic bandwagon so bad you actually think that cartoon drawing above is somehow sexist..get over it..jesus Mary Whitehouse would have loved it here with you lot. Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 18:19 aldo_14 says: I believe the reason it is considered sexist is because it is a pose which is – at best – unnatural, painful and uncomfortable and which is typically (and frequently) employed for the sole purpose of showing off both tits and ass. That said, I’m not sure if it’s used here because the artists really felt the need to cram in some breasts, or simply because they forgot how to draw a normal looking human pose. Quite why she has to be looking in the entire opposite way to anything interesting happening is unclear, except perhaps for the fact that showing both cleavage and cameltoe might be considered a bit gratuitious, so they decided to play it safe. Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 20:37 Fred S. says: I bet you guys are lots of fun at comics conventions. Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 18:19 Machinations says: Haven’t you heard? RPS is giving away an award for most batshi-crazy outlandish feigned outrage over cartoon depiction of women in gaming. Or, so I have been lead to believe by the increasingly inane, hand-wringing commentary. What happened to pun threads and insightful comments? Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 18:43 ohtorialumna says: I think the lack of pun threads and “insightful comments” has a lot to do with the fact that people like you insist on forcing people to explain the most painfully obvious aspects of ingrained sexism in our society and justify their speaking out against it, rather than getting on with the business we’d all rather be doing, which is making pun threads and actual commentary on the game itself. Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 21:57 Machinations says: People like me? I’m not the one injecting my moral outrage into every perceived faux-controversy I can imagine. I would suggest its these kinds of inane ridiculous discussions that are causing those who comment on, you know, video games, to ignore threads where someone is hysterically making hay over the possibly least sexy commercialized cartoon image of a woman I’ve ever seen, Shouldn’t you guys be getting outraged at kids cartoons? 11/06/2013 at 02:32 Grover says: Cartoon women in Western media are doing more to oppress real women than burkas-bound cultural mores ever have you misogynist monster. Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 20:00 cptgone says: i find your moralism depressing. why don’t you go burn some books instead? if i were a game dev, i wouldn’t dare depict women anymore. Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 22:04 Machinations says: Book burners, culture police, ultimately intolerable censors and bigots. I know, I know, only YOUR opinion matters and only YOU have views, and they are all correct. Save me the sanctimonious drivel. Log in to Reply 10/06/2013 at 20:39 Banana_Republic says: Yeah! Women should have neither boobs nor butts, let alone ever be depicted with them. Obviously mother nature is just a tool of the patriarchy to have designed women with these perverse symbols of female subjugation. You agony merchants are laughable. Log in to Reply 11/06/2013 at 05:45 MellowKrogoth says: Yeah, well, the wonderful female body has always fascinated artists, and they’ve found various ways to stylise its representation to emphasize its shapes. Many of those are not realistic nor a guide in ergonomic poses or an attempt at accurate clothing depiction. A good example is the African depiction of women with super-emphasized breasts that are basically huge spikes. Are you gonna scream “sexism” at those too? Cause that would be obtuse. I suspect you’re new to this feminism thing and just picked up a random trope from a feminism wiki to be outraged about though… misguided people like you make those who actually seek to improve the female condition look like idiots. Just stop. |
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Gender Politics has its greatest moment ever. by 06/11/2013, 10:30am PDT  A bunch of stupid people say stupid things. Sounds a lot like Caltrops. So? NT by 06/11/2013, 11:51am PDT The difference is political correctness, Paul. by 06/11/2013, 12:25pm PDT A whole lot of love went into detailing her ass and bra-less boob despite the NT by 06/11/2013, 12:49pm PDT You're right. No human being would draw a man's ass like this. by 06/11/2013, 2:23pm PDT Is that what I said? RPS is full of sniveling fucks but I'm not going to defend by 06/11/2013, 4:25pm PDT Wait til they get a load of Rayman by 06/11/2013, 3:18pm PDT |
