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by skip 08/22/2014, 5:23pm PDT |
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Another article fretting over the split in opinions over these non-game indie games.
There are positive Steam reviews, too, but many are facetious. Some customers are irate. Why the hell is the media so fascinated by this $1 game which advertises “no controls"—a game about a mountain that listlessly spins and talks about its feelings and collects detritus with little regard for the player? How is that interesting, or even a game, or worth any amount of money?
How is this different than a screensaver? Nobody's ever answered this. But is this some sort of art work where the goal is to stretch the definition of game to its breaking point?
Mountain isn’t in an established genre and there’s no agreed-upon measurement for its success. There’s no lexicon of words like “tactical” and “immersive” to consult. Writers like it because it hasn’t been written about yet. Writers are looking for a story, and Mountain is a new story. It’s critically relevant, like an unusual pop music trend.
Fair enough. I've said before that games made strictly for critics and ruminating over are fine but why charge for it then? Why put it on Steam? How is it a game? This applies to any of those interactive toys like Proteus. Mountain seems like one of the lesser offenders since they're only charging $1 for it.
Dismissing Mountain as "a screensaver” is a valid criticism from a consumer with perfectly normal expectations about what a game should be. I don’t fault anyone for being disappointed by Mountain. It has no win or fail state—it’s only a ‘game’ because calling it an ‘ambient interactive experience’ feels ostentatious. But the writers praising it, myself included, don’t see Mountain solely as a $1 entertainment product: it’s a story about subverting game conventions, and the animator who worked on Her, and emotion, and big questions about existence and computers and mountains. It might even be more interesting to talk about than to play, and maybe that’s the point, and—see? Now I’m doing it.
I'm not picking on the article since it's one of the better written ones about this sort of thing and doesn't say people who dislike these games are horrible but subverting game conventions means it's still a game. This isn't.
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Why Do So Many People Hate Indie Games? by IGN by skip 08/08/2014, 10:25pm PDT 
The whole value proposition is stupid to begin with. by Jerry Whorebach 08/08/2014, 11:52pm PDT 
Oh man, some of those numbers are way off. IGNORE ANY NUMBERS IN THIS POST. by Jerry Whorebach 08/09/2014, 6:23am PDT 
This thread does bring up a critical reason for why people hate indie games by serial malcontent 08/09/2014, 8:08am PDT 
He didn't save all the kids. NT by Worm,Ed Gein 08/09/2014, 8:49am PDT 
Here are some random comments. by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/09/2014, 8:02am PDT 
Re: Here are some random comments. by serial malcontent 08/09/2014, 8:14am PDT 
Re: Why Do So Many People Hate Indie Games? by IGN by Souffle of Pain 08/09/2014, 10:09am PDT 
I've started relying more on video reviews too by skip 08/09/2014, 5:29pm PDT 
That's the real reason companies try to shut down Let's Play videos by fabio 08/10/2014, 4:42pm PDT 
That's the real reason companies try to shut down Let's Play videos by fabio 08/10/2014, 4:46pm PDT 
Count me as someone that never wants to play another sidescrolling platformer by E. L. Koba 08/09/2014, 6:46pm PDT 
Understandable, though to me the type of platformer matters a lot. by Jerry Whorebach 08/09/2014, 8:07pm PDT 
That's a touch unfair by skip 08/09/2014, 11:41pm PDT 
Wait, aren't you the guy who takes narrative dance classes twice a month? by Jerry Whorebach 08/10/2014, 5:56pm PDT 
I liked Dear Escher... by blackwater 08/14/2014, 10:33pm PDT 
Why critics love Mountain, but Steam users are calling it "worthless" by PCGamer by skip 08/22/2014, 5:23pm PDT 
Re: Why critics love Mountain, but Steam users are calling it "worthless" by PCG by E. L. Koba 08/22/2014, 6:21pm PDT 
People used to pay money for interesting screensavers. by Fullofkittens 08/22/2014, 7:27pm PDT 
Re: People used to pay money for interesting screensavers. by Butterface Loving Lollerson 08/22/2014, 7:41pm PDT 
I feel like we as a species solved this riddle a long time ago. by Jerry Whorebach 08/22/2014, 8:42pm PDT 
Digital leisure is a good term for it. NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/22/2014, 9:53pm PDT 
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