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Have you even seen the Donner Cut? by Mischief Maker 07/05/2021, 10:10pm PDT
Otis Ferguson wrote:

I've seen Superman II, it's fantastic. The first one people think they like because Ebert said it was so great. The second one has actual moral and tonal sophistication - Superman giving up ultimate power to be with his woman, then being caught when evil shows up. The evil guys are funny and imposing. There's no big Superman fight scene until the end. It moves as adroitly between pathos and light comedy as any superhero film ever has.

If you think the complex tone is Donner's doing (no offense to him, he was brilliant), watch Petulia. In fact, watch the third film, which has those incredible scenes where Superman is drunk or horny and it somehow fits.


Everything you're attributing to Lester originated with Donner, and the Donner cut does them better.

In the Donner Cut, it makes more sense that Superman would give up his powers for Lois because she reveals that Clark is Superman by outsmarting him (and they have delicious chemistry in the Donner Cut scene).



In the Lester cut she figures it out by accident because of that stupid "Flames of Love" gag and I guess he gives up his powers for her because he's horny?



In the Donner Cut, the Kryptonian criminals are fucking brutal, including a scene where Zod picks up an assault rifle and laughs while gunning down humans.



In the Lester cut they're just goofballs.



In the Donner Cut, they have more Marlon Brando,

In the Lester cut they removed his scenes to save a couple bucks.


In the Donner Cut, Superman gets his powers back at the cost of destroying the Jor-El simulation, so it's clear there's no turning back after this.



In the Lester cut he just finds the green crystal on the ground and... end scene. Welp, he's got his powers back without explanation! I guess that means he can de-power to bone Lois at will, just as long as he keeps that green crystal handy.



All the best comedy in 2 comes from Donner, because Gene Hackman famously refused to return to the set after they gave Donner the boot.

Richard Lester is the reason zoomers describe Christopher Reeves Superman as stupid and cheesy, because the only thing that guy had to offer as a director was broad inappropriate slapstick.
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                    Have you even seen the Donner Cut? by Mischief Maker 07/05/2021, 10:10pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Have you even seen the Donner Cut? by Otis Ferguson 07/06/2021, 1:33am PDT NEW
                            So you haven't seen it. Why argue all night about a movie you haven't seen? NT by Mischief Maker 07/06/2021, 7:20am PDT NEW
                                Why share clips if you think I've seen it? NT by Otis Ferguson 07/06/2021, 10:12am PDT NEW
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                        Re: Have you even seen the Donner Cut? by laudablepuss 07/06/2021, 10:29am PDT NEW
                            I think people made hybrid cuts after the donner cut came out. by Mischief Maker 07/06/2021, 10:48am PDT NEW
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