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Re: Missed your final section, fixed response here - by Lizard_King 05/04/2003, 2:01am PDT
GRENDEL wrote:

Lizard_King wrote:

I define the morality of an act as whether it is practical and useful in the long run
TO WHOM?


We're talking personal morality here, right? I clearly see long term self interest as the central axis of personal ethics, right? Ergo, it stands to reason that I mean "to the person who is debating doing the action".

We can play the game of extending subjectivity to absurd lengths to make any judgement whatsoever on any criterion valueless, but I don't see how such rhetorical masturbation is much of a criticism.

taking into account basic human rights
DEFINED BY WHOM? TO WHAT END?


I think the bill of rights is a good, fairly well known place to start. Obviously, we're dealing with a complex issue, but if you really are curious and not just trolling, I would be happy to expand on it further. Nothing abstract, so much as "the right to do what you please as long as you don't hurt anyone else materially.". Obviously, you can nit pick the language and draw up as many ad absurdum examples as you wish, but I would be very surprised if anyone who has read anything I have written does not have a fair idea of what I mean.

and if it conforms to the laws of nature.
MIGHT MAKES RIGHT? RED IN TOOTH AND CLAW? ???


1. Two separate things. "Might makes right" is a fallacious oversimplification of how nature functions, that only a person utterly ignorant of basic evolution theory could make. "Red in tooth and claw", on the other hand, is a much more flexible term than I believe the man who coined it intended. Nature is in fact premised on the ideas that the strong survive (bear with me, I'll explain how your original "might makes right" doesn't apply); that in any decision-making process involving contradictory choices, an entity must pick one and only one to be functional (of course, very different from zero-sum economics; remember we are talking about choices at any given moment, which are limited, not the grand scheme of things); that what goes up must come down, etc. However, saying that the strong survive can mean a lot of things depending on which type of strength a situation requires, and can come from sources ranging from environment to education to genetics etc., and in the advantages of civilization does not have death as a penalty for error nearly as often.

2. I believe economics, while certainly something that is taken far too seriously at the practical level when much of it should remain theory, does the best job of expressing certain basic truths in nature. I can think of no better way to summarize consistently correct perceptions of what works in the world than the market economy, the laws of supply and demand, and so forth.

I HATE LIBERTARIANS TO THE VERY DEPTHS OF MY BEING.


Are you going to suggest alternative worldviews as SB has done, or just attack mine?

LEFTISTS ARE A BUNCH OF CUNTS

...wait this is fun...
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!!! by Mischief Maker 05/02/2003, 10:48am PDT NEW
    KICK. FUCKING. ASS. NT by Senor Barborito 05/02/2003, 10:49am PDT NEW
    Anyone got login info for the LA Times? NT by laudablepuss 05/02/2003, 11:08am PDT NEW
        Shadowyfigure NT by xxxxxxxxxxxx 05/02/2003, 11:42am PDT NEW
        poenews/poenews (nt) by Chillum 05/02/2003, 12:14pm PDT NEW
    Mmm by I need clarification 05/02/2003, 4:30pm PDT NEW
        Read it again by Fullofkittens 05/02/2003, 5:12pm PDT NEW
            Re: Read it again by I need clarification 05/02/2003, 5:42pm PDT NEW
                Note to self by FoK 05/02/2003, 5:47pm PDT NEW
    Charming... by Lizard_King 05/02/2003, 7:59pm PDT NEW
        Re: Charming... by Mischief Maker 05/03/2003, 10:32am PDT NEW
        Also, by Mischief Maker 05/03/2003, 10:42am PDT NEW
            Re: Also, by Lizard_King 05/03/2003, 12:32pm PDT NEW
                That makes a lot of sense, actually by Senor Barborito 05/03/2003, 1:10pm PDT NEW
                    Fixed third link by Senor Barborito 05/03/2003, 1:11pm PDT NEW
                    Re: That makes a lot of sense, actually by Lizard_King 05/03/2003, 2:56pm PDT NEW
                        You're forgetting the very, very obvious by Senor Barborito 05/03/2003, 3:21pm PDT NEW
                            Re: You're forgetting the very, very obvious by Lufteufel 05/03/2003, 5:41pm PDT NEW
                                *ahem* by Senor Barborito 05/03/2003, 6:00pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: *ahem* by Moab 05/03/2003, 6:25pm PDT NEW
                                        No by Senor Barborito 05/03/2003, 6:45pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: No by Moab 05/03/2003, 6:50pm PDT NEW
                            Re: You're forgetting the very, very obvious by Lizard_King 05/03/2003, 7:01pm PDT NEW
                                Re: You're forgetting the very, very obvious by Senor Barborito 05/03/2003, 8:23pm PDT NEW
                                    Missed your final section, fixed response here - by Senor Barborito 05/03/2003, 8:50pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: Missed your final section, fixed response here - by Lizard_King 05/03/2003, 11:53pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: Missed your final section, fixed response here - by GRENDEL 05/04/2003, 1:18am PDT NEW
                                                Re: Missed your final section, fixed response here - by Lizard_King 05/04/2003, 2:01am PDT NEW
                                                    You fags should never have banned Vag. NT by Someone who feels different today 05/04/2003, 2:20am PDT NEW
                                                        I now have no idea what the hell is going on. NT by Lizard_King 05/04/2003, 2:33am PDT NEW
                                                        Fag NT by ydrt 05/04/2003, 2:45am PDT NEW
                                                        Re: You fags should never have banned Vag. by Moab 05/04/2003, 2:49am PDT NEW
                                                            I see... by Lizard_King 05/04/2003, 3:03am PDT NEW
                                                                Re: I see... by Moab 05/04/2003, 3:09am PDT NEW
                                                                    Re: I see... by Lizard_King 05/04/2003, 12:57pm PDT NEW
                                                                        Re: I see... by FABIO 05/04/2003, 1:23pm PDT NEW
                                                                            My mistake then...attribute it to egocentrism or something. NT by Lizard_King 05/04/2003, 1:44pm PDT NEW
                                                            I WANT YOU, MOAB. COME TO ME NAKED. NT by GRENDEL 05/05/2003, 6:55am PDT NEW
                                                                Re: I WANT YOU, MOAB. COME TO ME NAKED. by M|H 05/06/2003, 11:01am PDT NEW
                                                    Re: Missed your final section, fixed response here - by GRENDEL 05/05/2003, 6:54am PDT NEW
                                                        Re: Missed your final section, fixed response here - by De Sade 05/05/2003, 9:16pm PDT NEW
                                                        FIND THE FUCKING CAPS LOCK KEY ASSHOLE NT by Bill Dungsroman 05/06/2003, 11:12am PDT NEW
                                            Re: Missed your final section, fixed response here - by Senor Barborito 05/04/2003, 3:51pm PDT NEW
                                                Yo, Lizard - where's my response, man? Seriously 'waiting for player', here. NT by Senor Barborito 05/05/2003, 2:23pm PDT NEW
                                                    You'll have to give me at least another 24 hours... by Lizard_King 05/05/2003, 9:45pm PDT NEW
                                                GO SNIPER! by Diotallevi 05/05/2003, 11:19pm PDT NEW
                                                    GAY SNIFF! by Meaner of Eating 05/06/2003, 1:33am PDT NEW
                                                This is one long motherfucker... by Lizard_King 05/07/2003, 2:06am PDT NEW
                                                    Let me know when this post comes out in paperback. (NT) by Fussbett 05/07/2003, 2:34am PDT NEW
                                                        It is the nature of the beast... (NT) by Lizard_King 05/07/2003, 2:48am PDT NEW
                                                    Just the opinion of a bystander . . . by laudablepuss 05/07/2003, 1:30pm PDT NEW
                                                    Re: This is one long motherfucker... by GRENDEL 05/07/2003, 10:38pm PDT NEW
                                                        Re: This is one long motherfucker... by Lizard_King 05/08/2003, 2:39pm PDT NEW
                                                            A thougth comes when 'it' wants, not when 'I' want by F Nietzsche 05/08/2003, 3:45pm PDT NEW
                                                            Re: This is one last motherfucker... by GRENDEL 05/08/2003, 11:42pm PDT NEW
                                            According to nature by F Nietzsche 05/04/2003, 4:57pm PDT NEW
                                                I often lack a sense of irony, or perhaps I'm just wilfully blind... by F. Nietzsche 05/06/2003, 2:11am PDT NEW
                                            Ab initio by Callow Sniper 05/05/2003, 6:43pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: Ab initio by laudablepuss 05/06/2003, 5:09pm PDT NEW
                                                    Re: Ab initio by Lizard_King 05/07/2003, 2:21am PDT NEW
                                                        Incorrect by laudablepuss 05/07/2003, 10:59am PDT NEW
                                                            Re: Incorrect by Lizard_King 05/08/2003, 2:01pm PDT NEW
                                                            Re: Incorrect by niche 05/08/2003, 10:21pm PDT NEW
                                                                Pre-emptive strike by Lizard_King 05/08/2003, 10:36pm PDT NEW
                                                                    Re: Pre-emptive strike by Callow Sniper 05/08/2003, 11:04pm PDT NEW
                                                                        Re: Pre-emptive strike by Lizard_King 05/08/2003, 11:09pm PDT NEW
                                                        Why you are a fag. by Callow Sniper 05/07/2003, 3:35pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: Ab initio by Lizard_King 05/07/2003, 2:25am PDT NEW
                                                    Re: Ab initio by Callow Sniper 05/07/2003, 4:13pm PDT NEW
                                                        Re: Ab initio by Lizard_King 05/08/2003, 2:16pm PDT NEW
                                                            Re: Ab initio by Randomizer 05/08/2003, 3:32pm PDT NEW
                                                            Re: Ab initio by Callow Sniper 05/08/2003, 7:12pm PDT NEW
                                                                Re: Ab initio redux by Lizard_King 05/08/2003, 8:51pm PDT NEW
                                                                    Maybe because you take yourself way too seriously? NT by I'm just guessing here 05/08/2003, 9:35pm PDT NEW
                                                                        Possibly. Any other theories? NT by Lizard_King 05/08/2003, 10:17pm PDT NEW
                                                                            Just facts, ma'am. NT by Joe Friday 05/08/2003, 10:19pm PDT NEW
                                                                                You've got a lot of repressed feelings, don't you, Friday? by Pep Streeback 05/08/2003, 10:33pm PDT NEW
                            Re: You're forgetting the very, very obvious by FABIO 05/03/2003, 7:31pm PDT NEW
                                Fine by Senor Barborito 05/03/2003, 8:24pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: Fine by ydrt 05/04/2003, 2:07am PDT NEW
                                        What he said by FABIO 05/04/2003, 3:39am PDT NEW
                                            Yeah, who needs social change when THE FUCKING LAWN'S NOT PATTERNED RIGHT!!! NT by Something Happened 05/04/2003, 12:22pm PDT NEW
                                                landscaping? you lost me there NT by FABIO 05/04/2003, 1:47pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: Fine by Senor Barborito 05/04/2003, 10:09am PDT NEW
                                            Psh! Economics is SOFT Science. For pussies. NT by Invest in Dot Coms! 05/04/2003, 12:15pm PDT NEW
                        Diotallevi? NT by MM 05/03/2003, 7:07pm PDT NEW
                            Mischief Maker? NT by FABIO 05/03/2003, 7:30pm PDT NEW
                                Stepto? NT by foogla 05/03/2003, 8:15pm PDT NEW
                                    Umberto? NT by the Eminem Haderach 05/04/2003, 2:08am PDT NEW
                                        Me? NT by K. Thor Jensen 05/06/2003, 5:25pm PDT NEW
                            Confusing NT response to some post way above? NT by Ed Cetera 05/04/2003, 2:00am PDT NEW
                            Nope by Diotallevi 05/05/2003, 11:16pm PDT NEW
                Re: Also, by I need clarification 05/03/2003, 5:14pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Also, by McGroot. 05/03/2003, 5:33pm PDT NEW
                        40 years: No Vietnam. NT by Fussbett 05/03/2003, 5:44pm PDT NEW
                        ?? by I need clarification 05/03/2003, 6:33pm PDT NEW
                            ...and my shoes? Aren't you going to mock my shoes? by McGroot 05/03/2003, 6:46pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Also, by Lufteufel 05/03/2003, 5:43pm PDT NEW
                    big deal by Lizard_King 05/03/2003, 8:01pm PDT NEW
                        Re: big deal by foogla 05/03/2003, 8:19pm PDT NEW
                            Re: big deal by Lizard_King 05/03/2003, 9:18pm PDT NEW
                                The fuck? by Chairman Mao 05/04/2003, 3:04am PDT NEW
                                    Re: The fuck? by Lizard_King 05/04/2003, 12:09pm PDT NEW
                        INC is talking aboot California. Please stop the hatin' on me. NT by Canada 05/03/2003, 8:43pm PDT NEW
                            You're right. by Lizard_King 05/04/2003, 3:22pm PDT NEW
                                Dear Idiot: by I need clarification 05/05/2003, 12:57am PDT NEW
                                    Aiding and abetting: The United States hates civil liberties across the world! by Senor Barborito 05/05/2003, 1:24am PDT NEW
                                        Somebody's disinforming someone. by FoK 05/05/2003, 12:53pm PDT NEW
                                    OH! those beeeeuuuutiful peopaaahhh! by Star Seed 05/05/2003, 2:04am PDT NEW
                                        Way to lose an argument, Ari by I need clarification 05/05/2003, 12:41pm PDT NEW
                                    Dear Fucktard by Lizard_King 05/07/2003, 2:14am PDT NEW
                                        Three days' wait and that's all I get? by I need clarification 05/07/2003, 1:01pm PDT NEW
                                            re:Ex-Texan by I need clarification 05/07/2003, 1:55pm PDT NEW
                                                Florida, actually by I need clarification 05/07/2003, 3:16pm PDT NEW
                                            From me? Yeah. It's a fair assessment of the value of your contributions. NT by Lizard_King 05/08/2003, 2:42pm PDT NEW
 
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