Caltrops - Gamerasutra - Beatmania versus Frequency/Amplitude

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by Fussbett 07/02/2003, 3:39am PDT

That huge thread was giving me cancer, so I combined your three posts and excised the... tumour?

Damocles wrote:

Fussbett wrote:

Damocles wrote:

I played Frequency for a few of my friends for about five minutes. That hooked them, and they knew all about music games. I also showed them about five other games, and they gave them all up to play more two-player Frequency. "No response", my ass, graphics help.

Was it the graphics that hooked them, you think? "Put in that game with the great graphics!" they said, right?

It was more "put Frequency back in, I want to play more of it". They liked the graphics, liked the "building" element, etc.

"I want to play more of it" = your friends liked the graphics! I guess, being your good friends, you were able to detect the "like the graphics" intonation in their voices which the words did not convey, whereas I do not have that ability. Anyway, my friends LOVE the graphics in the Beatmania games. Since neither group of friends are available for a polygraph test, I guess we'll have to call that one a draw and award me the point.

Damocles wrote:

Fussbett wrote:

Damocles wrote:

Pissing on Amplitude because it threatens the purity of Beatmania fandom is precisely that gay.

I'm not pissing on Amplitude, I'm pissing in your mouth.

Keep going, you're getting me all hot.

A/S/L?

28/Male/Standing in front of your kneeling self, cock out, pissing in your mouth.

Damocles wrote:

Fussbett wrote:

Amplitude is a fine game, and I like Samba very much as well. Trying to portray me as some one-game fanboy will get you nowhere. I play more games in my sleep than you'll play in a thousand lifetimes.

Speaking of pissing, pissing matches over "I play more games than you" are impossible- you don't know how many games I play, nor I you.

SB would argue that a (satire!) tag should be placed in front of the pissing in your mouth defamation, but really it should've gone in front of the line where I say that not only do I play more games than one thousand of your lifetimes, but that I do it while sleeping.

Damocles wrote:

It also omits the valid point that saying "Amplitude is a fine game" is entirely different than your attitude elsewhere in this thread, wherein you were implying "I TOLD U I WAS HARDCORE" by saying that Amplitude is somehow a lesser game than Beatmania.

Why can't both of these points be true? Amplitude is fine, but Beatmania is better and for the hardcore.

Damocles wrote:

Fussbett wrote:

Damocles wrote:

For that matter, it also takes more skill than just proper timing. Keeping up a multiplier, planning out a route, and handling playing one track, switching tracks, then playing something utterly different requires some thought.

YES. YES. YES. Beatmania is purity and simplicity. You versus the notes, and nothing more. Now you're getting it.

So? Purity and simplicity do not mean and never have meant better gameplay any more than they've meant better sex. Unless you like fucking moronic virgins.

Great analogy. Sometimes purity and simplicity do mean a better game though. Here's an example: Beatmania.

Damocles wrote:

The "track laying" in the Harmonix games is also purer, because it's supposed to be a recreation of the experience of recording and mixing a song all by yourself, choosing when elements come in, go out. It's music-gaming-as-sculpture, and as such fills in a needed and necessary niche in the genre. It's also a hell of a lot closer to actual scratch DJing than Beatmania ever was.

Drummania and Guitar Freaks would be better examples of "truely playing a role in a song" that you praise so much, so if that's so important, you should begin championing those games against my Beatmania instead of the mixing-board style of Harmonix gameplay.

Damocles wrote:

Fussbett wrote:

Though I may not understand Erik, I think we can all agree that if this retarded child can manage to play and enjoy Beatmania, so can you.

You argued by assertion, which was lame and sad. I was pointing out that your assertion was not backed by anything but your fervent hope that I'd believe you. I don't, based on my own experiences with both Beatmania and the DS2 and the comments of practically everyone I've ever talked to who likes the genre.

Fortunately for me, I'm arguing from a position that those who do not see my side of things are unenlighted dilettantes. Cite your friends, family and netizens all you want, but it only implicates them into the dilettantism. Imagine me as a snooty film critic. You can point out that some box office smash was seen by a billion people who CAN'T be wrong, and I can point out that it's still a bad film by my high standards, my more attuned taste. To mix the metaphor further, caviar is wasted on your scrofulous crew, and the internet.

Damocles wrote:

By all means, lead by example -- begin the next (far improved) argument and I'll follow.

Get thee to the Shadowrun/D&D section of the thread. It's more fun anyway.

Boring RPG shit is for queers.