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by Damocles 07/28/2003, 2:41am PDT |
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I need clarification wrote:
Damocles wrote:
I need clarification wrote:
...I should judge Jackie Chan by his entire body of work.
Here's the thing: I've seen the new stuff, and it sucked. I saw an old one, and it sucked. If I saw LXG, and then I saw Dr. No, I'd probably want to watch a lot more of Connery's earlier work, but I'd probably only look at the Bond stuff.
Even then, Connery was doing pretty much the same movie over and over. From what I've seen of Jackie Chan, so is he. The problem is it's a horrible fucking movie.
Actually, it's more like watching the new Star Wars movies and knowing they suck, and then watching THX-1911 and being bored, and therefore dismissing Empire Strikes Back and Raiders of the Lost Ark as crap. Which is stupid.
No.
First off, George Lucas didn't direct Empire or Raiders. YOU LOSE.
Who said "direct"?
I need clarification wrote:
Secondly, no one is going around saying "George Lucas is the greatest thing ever." People may like Star Wars, but do you know anyone who was saying Lucas was a genius before or after that? People still talk about Jackie Chan like he never made a bad movie until Boogie Night or whatever that shit was. My experience tells me different! I'm now permitted to assume most of his movies involve the amateurish clowning that has been a BIG part of everything I've seen him in. Hmm... I remember people spooging over THX-1911 and Blackboard Jungle. But anyway, it's not because the movies are the best cinematic work ever (although he's actually a pretty decent actor at times... Police Story had its moments, for example), but because he can make movies with action that humbles the aforementioned Lucas and pretty much everybody else, because it not only features characters that are unlike most martial arts/action stars in that they're human: they can be hurt, they screw up, and sometimes need to run or get killed. (Which is what made Die Hard so good.)
I need clarification wrote:
Damocles wrote:
Police Story, Drunken Master, Armor of God... find a movie in one of these series, and you'll understand why everybody can't stop gibbering about this guy.
(Or just watch Drunken Master 2. )
See, if everyone had told me, "Hey, Drunken Master 2 is a pretty good flick, you should check it out," that would be one thing, Instead, I get litanies of how great Jackie Chan is. My post is a reaction to that.
Fine. "Drunken Master 2 is a pretty good flick, you should check it out". It's not the best movie evar, although it might be the best martial arts movie ever, and some of his other stuff (like Police Story) does a good job toeing the line between drama, comedy, action, and martial arts. You won't get the hyper-stylized Chow Yun Fat style action from one of his movies, but honestly, they're better for it.
Spend the three bucks to rent the DVD and give it a shot. What have you got to lose? |
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Old and Young, Jackie Chan Sucks by I need clarification 07/26/2003, 4:18pm PDT 
Re: Old and Young, Jackie Chan Sucks by Fullofkittens 07/26/2003, 4:27pm PDT 
Re: Old and Young, Jackie Chan Sucks by I need clarification 07/26/2003, 5:53pm PDT 
The only thing even slightly redeeming about that movie by Senor Barborito 07/26/2003, 6:28pm PDT 
Jackie Chan Sucks. by Fussbett 07/27/2003, 4:21pm PDT 
Re: Jackie Chan Sucks. by I need clarification 07/27/2003, 4:34pm PDT 
Speaking of Friendster, K. Thor seems to have really taken to it NT by Choson 07/27/2003, 5:10pm PDT 
i can't help being popular (fake n/t) by K. Thor Jensen 07/29/2003, 1:18pm PDT 
Watch Legend of Drunken Master (or fast foward to the final 15 minutes) by Colonel K 07/26/2003, 4:34pm PDT 
No. I'm done. by I need clarification 07/26/2003, 5:52pm PDT 
Re: Old and Young, Jackie Chan Sucks by Choson 07/26/2003, 5:40pm PDT 
Re: Old and Young, Jackie Chan Sucks by foogla 07/26/2003, 5:48pm PDT 
Re: Old and Young, Jackie Chan Sucks by I need clarification 07/26/2003, 5:51pm PDT 
Re: Old and Young, Jackie Chan Sucks by Choson 07/26/2003, 6:06pm PDT 
Re: Old and Young, Jackie Chan Sucks by I need clarification 07/26/2003, 6:37pm PDT 
Sean Connery always sucks because I saw him in LXG and Highlander 2 NT by Entropy Stew 07/26/2003, 6:22pm PDT 
I guess your point is... by I need clarification 07/26/2003, 6:40pm PDT 
Re: I guess your point is... by Damocles 07/27/2003, 4:51am PDT 
Do not call me stupid when in fact it is YOU who is stupid, Stupid!! by I need clarification 07/27/2003, 6:54pm PDT 
Re: Do not call me stupid when in fact it is YOU who is stupid, Stupid!! by Choson 07/27/2003, 7:09pm PDT 
Re: Do not call me stupid when in fact it is YOU who is stupid, Stupid!! by Damocles 07/28/2003, 2:41am PDT 
His earlier work? Like "Zardoz" and "Never say Never Again?" NT by Tom-Foolery Constructor 07/27/2003, 2:19pm PDT 
I think that Burt Reynolds comparison earlier pretty much summed that up. NT by Lizard_King 07/28/2003, 1:38pm PDT 
what about 'on golden pond' or 'terms of endearment'? by sfg 07/29/2003, 9:43pm PDT 
You could watch Iron Monkey. by Flurgendorf J. Creexul 07/27/2003, 5:13am PDT 
Or any Jet Li movie before he sold his soul to Hollywood. NT by TheVacillator 07/27/2003, 9:32am PDT 
Re: You could watch Iron Monkey. by Fussbett 07/27/2003, 3:46pm PDT 
Re: You could watch Iron Monkey. by Choson 07/27/2003, 4:00pm PDT 
Re: You could watch Iron Monkey. by I need clarification 07/27/2003, 4:35pm PDT 
Re: You could watch Iron Monkey. by E. L. Koba 07/27/2003, 6:20pm PDT 
Steven Chao is Asia's Steve Oedekerk. NT by Chairman Mao 07/28/2003, 1:53am PDT 
Re: Steven Chao is Asia's Steve Oedekerk. by Fussbett 07/28/2003, 1:07pm PDT 
Re: Steven Chao is Asia's Steve Oedekerk. by Chairman Mao 07/28/2003, 1:36pm PDT 
I lke Creex's suggestion best. by I need clarification 07/27/2003, 4:36pm PDT 
Re: Old and Young, Jackie Chan Sucks by Mischief Maker 07/27/2003, 8:52pm PDT 
Yeah, right. by I need clarification 07/27/2003, 10:26pm PDT 
I think you're looking in the wrong genre. by Lizard_King 07/28/2003, 1:41pm PDT 
Re: Old and Young, Jackie Chan Sucks by curst 07/27/2003, 9:23pm PDT 
Actually, all American Martial arts movies are pussies. by TheVacillator 07/28/2003, 9:42am PDT 
why the hell IS crouching tiger so praised over here? by FABIO 07/28/2003, 9:53am PDT 
It was a Hong Kong movie by an American director by Fullofkittens 07/28/2003, 10:07am PDT 
The english patient is loved by leaky vaginal cunts everywhere. -nt- by TheVacillator 07/28/2003, 10:34am PDT 
The Hours was ok. NT by foogla 07/28/2003, 12:37pm PDT 
every female I've asked also hated The Enlglish Patient NT by FABIO 07/28/2003, 5:38pm PDT 
They don't admit to it until you catch them. by Lizard_King 08/02/2003, 1:02am PDT 
Re: They don't admit to it until you catch them. by FABIO 08/02/2003, 4:05am PDT 
Re: why the hell IS crouching tiger so praised over here? by Lizard_King 07/28/2003, 1:45pm PDT 
Crouching boring, hidden stupid, even more hidden I don't fucking care about it. NT by Senor Barborito 07/28/2003, 3:05pm PDT 
I'm going to have to agree with Fabio on this one. by Lizard_King 08/02/2003, 1:01am PDT 
Re: Old and Young, Jackie Chan Sucks by Moab 07/29/2003, 6:49am PDT 
Try watching the good stuff next time... by 0.02$ 08/02/2003, 1:53pm PDT 
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