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by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 2:47am PDT |
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Fortinbras wrote:
Lizard_King wrote:
Keep in mind that I played GTA4 before most of these, and then was introduced to them by people that swore up and down that they would address many of the frustrations I had with the game. I couldn't believe that such a poorly put together game managed to top THE GAME OF THE CENTURY, but the grappling hook/parachuting angle and the solidly addictive terrain control mechanic did more for more than any number of uncheckpointed setpieces.
I think the fact that getting around the islands was a fucking trial unless you went out and capped outposts regularly more than makes up for any awesomeness Just Cause had for the whole parachuting/grappling hook gimmick. Checkpoints are useless when you get your ass killed before the first checkpoint and have to fly a helicopter halfway across the islands AGAIN. That and it just wasn't really a sandbox game. Nothing went on around you worth checking out, every place looked the same except the scripted mission locations. By comparison I can drive around GTAIV and find unexpected crap all over.
If you say so. I was rarely interested in what was "going on" in Liberty City, because it also seemed like a place that was empty apart from the missions. The difference once in JC I was grappling onto a helicopter to get from A to B, whereas in Liberty I was hailing a Taxi that had a person in it, and then would ignore me. Or my dumbass cousin wouldn't answer his fucking phone.
I will actually put up with virtually any nonsense to unlock a teleporting safehouse, as it is by far one of the most painless ways to handle transport. GTA4's nonexistent answer to this problem makes it an easy call.
Look, I don't care if you like it or not, the fact is JC for all of its flaws isn't the antithesis of the genre. GTA4, with its core based around scripted shit you could not in any way sandbox through and for which you received little or no reward other than advancing the plot, hates the player. Every one of the games I've listed down to Assassin's Creed did a better job of that, because I would rather have fewer tools available to me but the ability to choose when to employ them most of the time.
Also, I forgot Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts. It's a better sandbox than GTA4 as well. |
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True or false - the PS3 is an irrelevant joke nowadays NT by i_hate_goons.vbs 05/26/2009, 7:49pm PDT
False, it's a very relevant joke NT by Fussbett 05/26/2009, 8:07pm PDT
Ironic you would say that now by Lizard_King 05/26/2009, 8:20pm PDT
Re: Ironic you would say that now by Quétinbec 05/27/2009, 2:17am PDT
Recent games in sandbox genre that are superior to GTA4 by Lizard_King 05/27/2009, 3:43am PDT
gta4 was a pretty good game aside from the FRIENDS simulator NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 05/27/2009, 4:07am PDT
Where the fuck do you get off with Saints Row 2? by Worm 05/27/2009, 7:35am PDT
The minigames are trivially easy by Lizard_King 05/27/2009, 4:36pm PDT
Yeah, but it bored the shit out of me. by Worm 05/27/2009, 4:56pm PDT
OK. by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 3:05am PDT
GTA4 had what, 3 kind of bad missions? by Worm 05/28/2009, 7:08am PDT
Let me assist your memory using mine by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 10:33am PDT
fag NT by Worm 05/28/2009, 11:03am PDT
I'm glad we could resolve this amicably. NT by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 11:12am PDT
Yeah, I saw that list and immediately realized you cared more about GTAIV. by Worm 05/28/2009, 11:22am PDT
Looks like you're trolled by Saints Row 2 (and you have all bad points). NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/28/2009, 11:33am PDT
TROLLY TROLLED BY T(ROLL)HE TROLLOSPHERE NT by Worm 05/28/2009, 11:54am PDT
This post doesn't add anything it's pretty worthless. *hand to chin* NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/28/2009, 12:01pm PDT
(Deconstruction) NT by Fullofkittens 05/28/2009, 12:21pm PDT
wrom cuts off little pieces of his victims until they die. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/28/2009, 12:27pm PDT
... on the internet forums NT by Worm 05/28/2009, 12:28pm PDT
You mean "on the internet forums.... he doesn't do that." NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/28/2009, 12:30pm PDT
I mean wait "... no he really does" NT by Worm 05/28/2009, 12:34pm PDT
But you said it so it's not true. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/28/2009, 12:37pm PDT
no NT by Worm 05/28/2009, 1:11pm PDT
*giant explosion engulfs your corpse* NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/28/2009, 1:15pm PDT
*corpse was fake* *escapes through a mold chute* NT by Worm 05/28/2009, 1:19pm PDT
*into a blast furnace the end* NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/28/2009, 1:31pm PDT
*spoiler all the worms were fake* NT by Worm 05/28/2009, 2:17pm PDT
The real one was dead the whole time. *time travels* NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/28/2009, 2:30pm PDT
*actually he portal gunned away from the blast furnace* NT by Worm 05/28/2009, 2:38pm PDT
*into a second even larger blast furnace fueled by nuclear explosions* NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/28/2009, 2:55pm PDT
*also my portal gun only portals into the lava dimension wait ... shit * NT by Worm 05/28/2009, 2:57pm PDT
Surely Creexul won't childishly demand the last word here. NT by MURDER THE CABLES 05/28/2009, 2:57pm PDT
Please stop trying to ruin this thread that I'm improving. ^_^ NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/28/2009, 2:59pm PDT
Re: Please stop trying to ruin this thread that I'm improving. ^_^ by bink 05/29/2009, 5:27am PDT
Yeah, well, FUCK YOU. *bullet time slo-mo hand to chin dodges troll bullets* NT by Worm 05/28/2009, 12:27pm PDT
WHAT DO WE WANT? DICKS! WHEN DO WE WANT 'EM? NOW! WHAT DO WE WANT? NT by HOMPH! WHEN DO WE WANT IT? HURMPH 05/28/2009, 11:39am PDT
LK ended up being exactly right about this NT by irony 12/22/2012, 8:32am PST
Just Cause? Really? REALLY? NT by Fortinbras 05/27/2009, 8:50am PDT
Re: Just Cause? Really? REALLY? by Lizard_King 05/27/2009, 4:33pm PDT
Just Cause IS a pretty cool game. ^_^ by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/27/2009, 4:36pm PDT
Well, certainly the gaming press will ask Rockstar the tough questions NT by don't fucking bet on it 05/27/2009, 4:50pm PDT
Re: Just Cause? Really? REALLY? by Fortinbras 05/27/2009, 7:24pm PDT
just cause didn't make you shoot 250 pigeons by Weyoun Voidbringer 05/27/2009, 11:24pm PDT
Neither did GTAIV, you dumb fuck by Fortinbras 05/28/2009, 1:38am PDT
with bortinfras logic, you can claim that fun things are "boring" by Weyoun Voidbringer 05/28/2009, 1:44am PDT
Jhoh, change your brothers diaper, he's shitting his pants. AGAIN. NT by Fortinbras 05/28/2009, 1:50am PDT
bloatinfries is intellectually defeated, falls back on diapers NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 05/28/2009, 2:51am PDT
How about the diaper on your face to soak up all your Just Cause tears? 8( NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/28/2009, 5:14am PDT
Re: Neither did GTAIV, you dumb fuck by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 3:01am PDT
Re: Neither did GTAIV, you dumb fuck by Fortinbras 05/28/2009, 3:34am PDT
Re: Neither did GTAIV, you dumb fuck by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 5:11am PDT
Are you sure you played GTAIV? by Fortinbras 05/28/2009, 10:37am PDT
Don't flip your keyboard because you're a moron! by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 11:11am PDT
Maybe you were playing GTAIII but thought it was GTAIV? by Fortinbras 05/28/2009, 11:17am PDT
Re: Maybe you were playing GTAIII but thought it was GTAIV? by Ice Cream Jonsey 05/28/2009, 11:50am PDT
No, save system is still a pain. You get 4 save points instead of 1, I guess? by Fortinbras 05/28/2009, 11:58am PDT
Re: No, save system is still a pain. You get 4 save points instead of 1, I gues by Ice Cream Jonsey 05/28/2009, 12:02pm PDT
It's not, given what everyone else is doing in other games by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 12:28pm PDT
Lost and The Damned has mid-mission checkpoints. Slowly getting there- NT by Gutsby 05/28/2009, 2:57pm PDT
That's progress. by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 2:59pm PDT
1, that's terror, 2, that's terror, 3, NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/28/2009, 3:04pm PDT
Whatever, let's go get us some hole. NT by Gutsby 05/28/2009, 3:07pm PDT
GTA4 and GTA SA also did. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/28/2009, 3:08pm PDT
Shit. I meant N.A.R.C. Not Crackdown. NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 05/28/2009, 3:07pm PDT
Are you sure you don't mean a TIAMAT of input? That would be a lot funnier by Nyuk nyuk comics' Gabe 05/28/2009, 5:45pm PDT
Re: Are you sure you played GTAIV? by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 7:03pm PDT
Maybe you should go back to QT3, just maybe. NT by Joey 05/28/2009, 7:10pm PDT
You fuck one goat and then... NT by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 9:52pm PDT
Hahah holy shit, you're going to criticize their development cycle? by Worm 05/28/2009, 7:21am PDT
Re: Just Cause? Really? REALLY? by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 2:47am PDT
Weren't we talking about checkpoints and ease of access? by Fortinbras 05/28/2009, 3:29am PDT
Who's "all of us", you dumb motherfucker? by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 5:16am PDT
He doesn't care about craftsmanship because he has no fucking taste! NT by Worm 05/28/2009, 7:11am PDT
You've sure showed me the error of mocking Jsoh with your trenchant reply! by Fortinbras 05/28/2009, 10:23am PDT
Do you know what a red herring is? by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 10:58am PDT
Re: Do you know what a red herring is? by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/28/2009, 11:11am PDT
Holy shit, why is everyone a faggot about sand box games? by Worm 05/28/2009, 11:14am PDT
Re: Do you know what a red herring is? by Fortinbras 05/28/2009, 11:15am PDT
Re: Do you know what a red herring is? by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 11:39am PDT
I knew Assassin's Creed was shit the moment I ran into a giant spinning double h NT by Entropy Stew 05/28/2009, 11:47am PDT
Re: Do you know what a red herring is? by HOMPH! WHEN DO WE WANT IT? HURMPH 05/28/2009, 11:55am PDT
Nice ATOR, shit drinker. NT by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 2:46pm PDT
Haha, what? NT by Fortinbras 05/28/2009, 3:32pm PDT
Exactly. NT by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 4:00pm PDT
Re: Exactly. by Fortinbras 05/28/2009, 4:09pm PDT
You contribute exactly zero NT by Joey 05/28/2009, 4:33pm PDT
Joey's had it with some of the regulars. He's not going to stand for this. NT by Souffle of Pain 05/28/2009, 4:37pm PDT
I just want to highlight this. by Souffle of Pain 05/28/2009, 6:36pm PDT
The only poster worth keeping here is I Need Clarification and Fussbett. NT by Joey 05/28/2009, 7:12pm PDT
Whoa, another dumb faggot comes out of his lurking to realize he needs more NT by time in the oven 05/28/2009, 7:49pm PDT
Is that a Holocaust joke? You think Holocaust jokes are funny? "Cool" NT by Joey 05/28/2009, 7:52pm PDT
jewey NT by Worm 05/28/2009, 7:54pm PDT
New lows 24/7/365: Worm, Creexul, Weyoun. NT by Joey 05/28/2009, 7:58pm PDT
Joey NT by Joey 05/28/2009, 8:01pm PDT
Nice post, Worm. You spelled my name right. NT by Joey 05/28/2009, 8:10pm PDT
Joey NT by Joey 05/28/2009, 8:38pm PDT
Huge slam on INC and Fussbett out of nowhere. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/29/2009, 6:56am PDT
EITHER WAY, THIS IS LOW POINT. FOR YOU! by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 7:00pm PDT
If you're the kind of pussy we send into Iraq, no wonder we're losing. by Worm 05/28/2009, 7:51pm PDT
If you're the kind of pussy we send to his mother's basement by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 9:51pm PDT
Not the "you're bad at games" argument, the "this part wasn't that bad" argument by Worm 05/29/2009, 6:27am PDT
wromg is wromg and doesn't know that we're winning. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/29/2009, 6:58am PDT
Re: Recent games in sandbox genre that are superior to GTA4 by Quétinbec 05/27/2009, 4:29pm PDT
Re: Recent games in sandbox genre that are superior to GTA4 by Lizard_King 05/28/2009, 5:22am PDT
Haha Sims 3 you really are a FAGGOT. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/28/2009, 5:31am PDT
I start a game up, and it makes me go bowling by Entropy Stew 05/27/2009, 7:28am PDT
You're banned. NT by Cioxx, former SomethingAwful mod 05/26/2009, 8:22pm PDT
I would probably buy one for Gran Turismo 5 + backward compatibility... by Jerry Whorebach 05/26/2009, 8:41pm PDT
play GT1, case closed NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 05/26/2009, 11:32pm PDT
so is gta4 a bad game? by Weyoun Voidbringer 05/28/2009, 3:07am PDT
I officially tested the stun punch thoroughly enough to be sure it doesn't work by Weyoun Voidbringer 09/27/2009, 8:43pm PDT
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