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The Zionist Media Conspiracy
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by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 08/17/2009, 3:52pm PDT |
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So here's where I'm coming from: Ten schools in twelve years. Poor majority-black public schools, poor majority-white public schools, upper middle-class majority-white public schools, upper class majority-white private schools. Most of these were in the Southeast as well.
The thing about this that pissed me off the most wasn't the article itself, but rather the reaction where people accepted it as gospel truth because it confirmed everything they secretly believed but were too scared to investigate for themselves. So then all of these debates and arguments were touched off over this where people on both sides are acting like this is a carefully researched, peer reviewed data set. And it is most certainly not.
As much as I would like to spend hours and hours breaking the article down, I have my sanity to think about, so I'm just going to hit some of the things that immediately jumped out at me as either patently false or misrepresented. I'm going to try to avoid some of the more inflammatory and clearly stereotypical passages, although I'm sure I'll fail.
Christopher Jackson wrote:
One of the most immediately striking things about my students was that they were loud. They had little conception of ordinary decorum. It was not unusual for five students to be screaming at me at once.
It did no good to try to quiet them and white women were particularly inept at trying. I sat in on one woman’s class as she begged the children to pipe down. They just yelled louder so their voices would carry over hers.
The implication here is that non-black high schoolers sit quietly in the classroom, calmed by the sheer purity of their white flesh.
Here's how it works, generally: black people are louder, on average, than other ethnicities. People in the South are louder, on average, than people from other regions. High school kids, on average, are louder than full-grown adults -- especially when around other high school kids.
If five students are screaming at you at once, no matter what color they are, you have completely lost control of the classroom and therefore are performing poorly at your job. You are the adult, you are the teacher, and it is your job to be in control of the classroom at all times. If your students disrespect you to the point where you "beg" them for anything, YOU HAVE FAILED.
Put a pin in that. We'll come back to it.
Christopher Jackson wrote:
My students loved to leave the classroom and slack off, even if just for a few minutes, away from the eye of white authority. I picked a light-skinned boy to deliver the message. One very black student was indignant: “You pick da half-breed.” And immediately other blacks take up the cry, and half a dozen mouths are screaming, “He half-breed.”
First of, LOL at "the eye of white authority."
It's hard to express just how contrived and false this sounds. I guess a close analogue would be describing someone talking smack in CS, only with circa-1800 Amish-style speech patterns. "Thou art most base in your usage of the AWP, and I daresay your behavior resembles that of a lady of the illest repute."
Light-skint? Yes. High yellow? Doubtful in front of a white teacher, but a possibility. Mulatto? I'm more inclined to believe that than "half-breed." It's just wrong: black kids don't talk like that. So either he doesn't really pay attention to these kids and remember what they said, despite his use of quotes, or he's making it up whole cloth.
Christopher Jackson wrote:
Blacks not only mispronounce words; their grammar is often wrong. When a black wants to ask, “Where is the bathroom?” he may actually say “Whar da badroom be?” Grammatically, this is the equivalent of “Where the bathroom is?” And this is the way they speak in high school. Students write the way they speak, so this is the language that shows up in written assignments.
Like Hawaiian Pidgin, French Creole in Louisiana, and pretty much every dialect ever, Black English has its own internally consistent rules and structure. This is why it sounds wrong and white when people who aren't familiar with it try to imitate it. They haven't grown up around it, they haven't heard it used frequently, and so they have no clue what the rules and structure are. If the author had spent all this time around young black kids, he'd at least recognize this, even if he couldn't replicate it.
Students don't write the way they speak, however. No one writes the way they speak, except maybe didcot. But even if they did, these would be the only black people on Earth to completely lack the ability to code-switch. Even if they grew up around people who only spoke Black English, Standard American English is the de facto standard and suffuses every element of society. Television, movies, music -- even rap music. I'd wager that it's functionally impossible to grow up in the US speaking any dialect of English without also knowing the basic rules of Standard American English.
Christopher Jackson wrote:
Many black girls are perfectly happy to be welfare queens. On career day, one girl explained to the class that she was going to have lots of children and get fat checks from the government. No one in the class seemed to have any objection to this career choice.
Aside from perpetuating the myth of the welfare queen, I thought Career Day is when adults come to the class to discuss their occupations, not when kids talk about their plans. Oh, and not only did I never have anything resembling a Career Day in high school, neither did anyone I know. As far as I can tell, it's one of those tropes that exists mainly in TV and movies, like edible school lunches.
Speaking of school lunches...
Christopher Jackson wrote:
One of my students was a notorious drug dealer. Everyone knew it. He was 19 years old and in eleventh grade. Once he got a score of three out of 100 on a test. He had been locked up four times since he was 13....
A very fat student interrupted from across the room: “We get dat lunch,” Mr. Jackson. “We gotta get dat lunch and brickfuss.” He means the free breakfast and lunch poor students get every day. “Nigga, we know’d you be lovin’ brickfuss!” shouts another student.
Some readers may believe that I have drawn a cruel caricature of black students. After all, according to official figures some 85 percent of them graduate. It would be instructive to know how many of those scraped by with barely a C- record. They go from grade to grade and they finally get their diplomas because there is so much pressure on teachers to push them through. It saves money to move them along, the school looks good and the teachers look good.
This is where it became quite obvious that the author, whoever it is, not only wasn't a teacher in the South, but didn't even do the most basic research before writing up a bunch of stereotypes and caricatures and calling it truth.
The thing is, school districts everywhere -- but especially in the South -- are severely underfunded. Underfunded to the point where schools simply cannot afford to serve students that they absolutely do not have to serve. They can't afford to have 19 year olds in the eleventh grade; despite what some would have you believe, there's no money in overenrolling your school.
So the districts have a policy. It varies slightly in detail from district to district, but the core is the same regionwide: you have a free ride until you turn 18. If you do not graduate from high school in the twelve months after your 18th birthday, you're given what's called a "Certificate of Attendance" that says that you WENT to high school and you're kicked out. Bye bye. There's no option to stay, no "come for the free breakfast and lunch." From then on, your only option is a GED.
I won't deny that there is pressure to move students along, or that "social promotion" results in graduates incapable of tasks they should find trivial. But the only teachers I encountered who would move students up regardless of ability were the ones who had checked out and were only showing up to steal a paycheck and babysit a class.
Coming back to the original point, it was the realization that this piece makes the author out to be a complete failure of a teacher, incapable of maintaining control of his class or caring about his students in any way that closed the door on its inauthenticity. He's willing to dismiss an entire category of kids based on their skin color, but the problem isn't with him -- it's with them.
The racial achievement gap is real, and poor majority-black schools do have systemic problems. There are issues with regards to the value of education in black culture, but the roots run far deeper than "blacks do not respond to traditional white instruction." That's a conservative cop-out, a way to say "it's your fault, not ours." I appreciate that people want to discuss the subject that this piece raises, but in doing so, they've wrongly legitimized something so crass and nakedly offensive that if it were posted to 4chan, it'd be derided as a poor attempt at trolling.
PS:
Christopher Jackson wrote:
In our modern, atomized world children often have very little communication with adults—especially, or even, with their parents—so there is potential for a real transaction between pupil and teacher, disciple and master.
A rewarding relationship can grow up between an exceptional, interested student and his teacher. I have stayed in my classroom with a group of students discussing ideas and playing chess until the janitor kicked us out. I was the old gentleman, imparting my history, culture, personal loves and triumphs, defeats and failures to young kinsman. Sometimes I fancied myself Tyrtaeus, the Spartan poet, who counseled the youth to honor and loyalty.
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District 9 is a stinging indictment of Nigerians. by Fussbett 08/15/2009, 10:34pm PDT 
I hear they get shot in the head with explody bullets and deserve it and bush do by Weyoun Voidbringer 08/15/2009, 10:58pm PDT 
You know that article is total bullshit, right? NT by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 08/15/2009, 11:37pm PDT 
the wire episode seemed pretty believable NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 08/16/2009, 12:06am PDT 
There's a huge gulf between the point The Wire made and what that article insinu NT by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 08/16/2009, 12:20am PDT 
well stormfront didn't write any episodes of the wire as far as I know so there' NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 08/16/2009, 11:46am PDT 
The only one talking 'bout "love thy brother" is the preacher. NT by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 08/16/2009, 6:04pm PDT 
Go ahead and link this article/debuking, dudes. Then we will decide Jsoh's fate NT by Fussbett 08/16/2009, 8:41pm PDT 
But the future refused to change. *lavos* NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/16/2009, 10:22pm PDT 
What It's Like To Teach Black Students? by Christopher Jackson 08/16/2009, 10:39pm PDT 
white plight: no more fast food by up with pod people 08/16/2009, 11:07pm PDT 
falling down, the op-ed NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 08/16/2009, 11:25pm PDT 
Hahaha brickfuss. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/16/2009, 11:37pm PDT 
haha now I am going to read this whole thing again NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 08/17/2009, 2:02pm PDT 
I'm a hustla, baby, that's how my daddy raised me. by Zsenitan 08/16/2009, 11:40pm PDT 
wow the "girl" version is a completely warped and unrecognizable version NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 08/17/2009, 2:03pm PDT 
You have ugly tits so your opinion doesn't matter, Wey-Wey. NT by Zsenitan 08/17/2009, 2:21pm PDT 
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So. How do we fix this? Caltrops? NT by Shredder 08/16/2009, 11:50pm PDT 
Apply caltrops to the hallways of black schools. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/16/2009, 11:55pm PDT 
Caltrops: Fag Black School: (GUNSHOT, GUNSHOT GUNSHOT) NT by Fortinbras 08/17/2009, 2:19pm PDT 
I've worked in black schools. This is all depressingly true. NT by name withheld 08/17/2009, 1:35pm PDT 
Re: I've worked in black schools. This is all depressingly true. by Shredder 08/17/2009, 2:22pm PDT 
I say we sentence you to 99 years teaching in underprivileged schools NT by Fortinbras 08/17/2009, 3:01pm PDT 
Re: I've worked in black schools. This is all depressingly true. by name withheld 08/17/2009, 3:31pm PDT 
Most poorly disguised QB post of all time? by Fussbett 08/17/2009, 3:41pm PDT 
I was going to call the original post fake, but this testimonial has me doubting NT by Fussbett 08/17/2009, 3:00pm PDT 
It's duplicitous. by Zsenitan 08/17/2009, 4:02pm PDT 
Du-pli-ci-tous. Of dual nature. by Fortinbras 08/17/2009, 5:16pm PDT 
I teach in a majority black school. And this is a load of shit. by Lizard_King 08/18/2009, 9:17pm PDT 
ITT HGB trolls himself for an hour and a half before finally hitting POST by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 08/17/2009, 3:52pm PDT 
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 08/17/2009, 3:59pm PDT 
ONE LAST THING: it's "breffuss." "BRICKfuss" doesn't even make sense. Hard K but NT by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 08/17/2009, 4:10pm PDT 
Re: ONE LAST THING: it's "breffuss." "BRICKfuss" doesn't even make sense. Hard K by E. L. Koba 08/17/2009, 6:48pm PDT 
Can I make it into this "brickfuss"? NT by Cornbread 08/17/2009, 8:59pm PDT 
Cornbread by Fortinbras 08/17/2009, 9:45pm PDT 
Harlem nights, Eddie had to fight a women in that movie. In real life her name w NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 08/17/2009, 10:28pm PDT 
What kind of self-centered asshole disables embedding over a fucking 3:23 clip? NT by Fortinbras 08/17/2009, 10:35pm PDT 
You mean cone braid. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/17/2009, 10:55pm PDT 
Re: ITT HGB trolls himself for an hour and a half before finally hitting POST by Zsenitan 08/17/2009, 4:36pm PDT 
Re: ITT HGB trolls himself for an hour and a half before finally hitting POST by Mysterious Stranger 08/17/2009, 5:52pm PDT 
I dont want to spoil your fun because I totally appreciate what you're doing but by Fortinbras 08/17/2009, 4:43pm PDT 
The readership of Caltrops? No. Other idiots on the internet? Well... by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 08/17/2009, 5:07pm PDT 
hey I didn't even post it, now if you really want to be trolled search busfett's NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 08/17/2009, 6:22pm PDT 
folrtinbras got trolled. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/17/2009, 10:57pm PDT 
Roger Ebert thinks fellow film critic is A TROLL by Fortinbras 08/18/2009, 1:34am PDT 
So you are roger ebert. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/18/2009, 1:54am PDT 
Roger Ebert suspects District 9 fanboys are racist by Fussbett 08/18/2009, 2:28am PDT 
HIS DREAMS NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/18/2009, 2:41am PDT 
This intuitive T-chart explains WHY Armond White is a troll by Fortinbras 08/18/2009, 10:41am PDT 
Re: This intuitive T-chart explains WHY Armond White is a troll by Mr. 3000 and his blob 08/18/2009, 2:03pm PDT 
Eternal Sunshine, Team America, Kill Bill 2, Hotel Rwanda, The Aviator, NT by Irreversible, Bad Santa, Life Aquat 08/18/2009, 3:18pm PDT 
Yeah, those are some great films. Classics. Magical year. NT by Mr. 3000 and his blob 08/18/2009, 4:49pm PDT 
Except not Kill Bill, that was foot fetishly stupid (and boring). NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/19/2009, 12:22am PDT 
Re: Except not Kill Bill, that was foot fetishly stupid (and boring). by Mr. 3000 and his blob 08/19/2009, 12:26am PDT 
Re: Except not Kill Bill, that was foot fetishly stupid (and boring). by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/19/2009, 12:31am PDT 
Yes, Eternal Sunshine is the best movie of 2004 and probably several years +/- NT by Fussbett 08/19/2009, 12:40am PDT 
agree NT by up with pod people 08/19/2009, 8:07am PDT 
I HAVE AN INNOVATIVE YOUTUBE RESPONSE TO THIS hold on wait by bombMexico 08/18/2009, 12:13am PDT 
YOU'RE TAKING MY WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 08/18/2009, 1:19am PDT 
Re: YOU'RE TAKING MY WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/18/2009, 1:52am PDT 
Re: YOU'RE TAKING MY WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by I need clarification 08/19/2009, 11:36am PDT 
Re: YOU'RE TAKING MY WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 08/19/2009, 9:46pm PDT 
pulled over for no reason, didn't give back my change, TAKING MY WORDS OUT OF CO by bombMexico 08/21/2009, 12:35am PDT 
Pardon me if I don't take the Hawaiian/French black guy as a good example by I need clarification 08/21/2009, 1:49pm PDT 
INTERNET by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/21/2009, 4:44pm PDT 
Whut. He's only "black"? What an incredible waste of time. by bombMexico 09/05/2009, 1:26pm PDT 
King Kwame lives in Texas now (don't ask me why an shit). NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 09/05/2009, 1:40pm PDT 
Re: What It's Like To Teach Black Students? by Fussbett 08/18/2009, 12:02am PDT 
fuck, what's the full meaning of "shorty" by up with pod people 08/18/2009, 8:14am PDT 
I THINK IT MEANS SHORT PERSON ^_^ by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/18/2009, 10:35am PDT 
Well it means "baby", but for a long time I thought it only meant baby. by Fussbett 08/18/2009, 12:59pm PDT 
aha! some corroboration of my distant memory of 'shorty' to describe children by up with pod people 08/18/2009, 1:50pm PDT 
You shouldn't call your husband "it", even if he is a half-breed v_v NT by Jerry Whorebach 08/19/2009, 1:49am PDT 
lulz ^_^ NT by up with pod people 08/19/2009, 8:08am PDT 
Re: What It's Like To Teach Black Students? by Jack Rauber 09/14/2023, 10:02am PDT 
Capsule review (cross-post from POEN) (spoiler free version) by Fullofkittens 08/16/2009, 6:51am PDT 
Let's theorize about things that were not in District 9 (spoilers) by Fullofkittens 08/16/2009, 7:05am PDT 
Re: Let's theorize about things that were not in District 9 (spoilers) by Chairman Mao 08/16/2009, 9:33am PDT 
My theory by bink 08/16/2009, 10:29am PDT 
Re: My theory by Fullofkittens 08/16/2009, 5:07pm PDT 
Re: Let's theorize about things that were not in District 9 (spoilers) by Fussbett 08/16/2009, 1:11pm PDT 
Re: Let's theorize about things that were not in District 9 (spoilers) by motherfuckerfoodeater 08/16/2009, 3:11pm PDT 
I have not seen it by Chairman Mao 08/16/2009, 6:20pm PDT 
Re: I have not seen it by Fussbett 08/16/2009, 8:39pm PDT 
Re: Let's theorize about things that were not in District 9 (spoilers) by N 08/16/2009, 7:43pm PDT 
Re: Let's theorize about things that were not in District 9 (spoilers) by Fussbett 08/16/2009, 2:25pm PDT 
Re: Let's theorize about things that were not in District 9 (spoilers) by Fullofkittens 08/16/2009, 5:25pm PDT 
Jesus Christ by I need clarification 08/21/2009, 9:19am PDT 
Re: Let's theorize about things that were not in District 9 (spoilers) by Last 08/17/2009, 12:43pm PDT 
Fook mate! Fook! Fook! by Quétinbec 08/17/2009, 3:38pm PDT 
Hey! Fuck you too! =) by Chairman Mao 08/17/2009, 6:52pm PDT 
They have that in Bahrain? Holy shit QB you are so fucked. And not that way! NT by Fortinbras 08/17/2009, 9:43pm PDT 
Almost every Persian Gulf country has that... by Chairman Mao 08/17/2009, 9:47pm PDT 
Why did you not get, right from scene 1, that Wilkut was jerky and not bright? NT by Fussbett 08/18/2009, 12:13am PDT 
In the beginning he was a well-meaning but naive doofus rookie. by Last 08/18/2009, 5:07am PDT 
Re: In the beginning he was a well-meaning but naive doofus rookie. by Fussbett 08/18/2009, 3:28pm PDT 
Okay, now I get what you are saying. by Last 08/19/2009, 9:12am PDT 
Re: Okay, now I get what you are saying. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/19/2009, 9:22am PDT 
Re: Okay, now I get what you are saying. by what the eff is wrong with you? 08/19/2009, 10:12am PDT 
Guy with many complaints about plot shames us for dissecting the plot. Hmm. NT by (Also, you can say FUCK here) 08/19/2009, 12:24pm PDT 
yeah, 'cause picking out gross stupidity is the same as analyzing by non-existant character motivations 08/19/2009, 12:48pm PDT 
I don't think those are the same thing, actually. NT by Do you need a hand? 08/19/2009, 1:15pm PDT 
Re: Okay, now I get what you are saying. by Fussbett 08/19/2009, 12:40pm PDT 
Christopher was a nigger. by Quétinbec 08/22/2009, 12:45am PDT 
TAKE THIS NIGERIANS by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/18/2009, 11:12am PDT 
Gravity gun. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/18/2009, 11:51am PDT 
Also before the movie was a trailer for this. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/18/2009, 12:51pm PDT 
catholic thrillers are a favourite genre and paul bettany is amazing. double win NT by up with pod people 08/18/2009, 3:34pm PDT 
Shooting old women RIGHT IN THE TRAILER definitely can't hurt. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/19/2009, 12:23am PDT 
Spoiler above :( NT by Fussbett 08/18/2009, 3:25pm PDT 
Re: TAKE THIS NIGERIANS by I need clarification 08/21/2009, 9:25am PDT 
You sir are a lying faggot! It is not great. In fact it sucks balls. by what the eff is wrong with you? 08/19/2009, 10:03am PDT 
Re: You sir are a lying faggot! It is not great. In fact it sucks balls. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/19/2009, 10:17am PDT 
Shit, now I have to go see Gi-Joe again NT by what the eff is wrong with you? 08/19/2009, 10:49am PDT 
You should see GI Joe again. NT by Fussbett 08/19/2009, 12:25pm PDT 
at least it wasn't this bad NT by fuckin wasted money and afternoon 08/19/2009, 12:49pm PDT 
So go see GI Joe again already. NT by Fussbett 08/19/2009, 1:33pm PDT 
i want my 8.50 back though NT by district 9 sucked balls 08/19/2009, 1:45pm PDT 
The next time you reply in this thread, I am posting anime cock pix. NT by Zsenitan 08/19/2009, 1:46pm PDT 
She's serious, too. NT by Fullofkittens 08/19/2009, 2:57pm PDT 
Fusbet shouldn't feel bad, Rt got it wrong too NT by 89%, 90% ? what the fuck? 08/19/2009, 3:23pm PDT 
Here's why District 9 is great by Fussbett 08/19/2009, 3:50pm PDT 
That was Zseni, plz don't ban me. NT by Fussbett 08/19/2009, 10:37pm PDT 
I'm not proud of it, but I did what I had to do for the good of my forum. NT by Zsenitan North 08/20/2009, 4:22am PDT 
Re: So go see GI Joe again already. by Fortinbras 08/19/2009, 6:02pm PDT 
I finally saw this today! by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 08/19/2009, 9:55pm PDT 
Re: I finally saw this today! by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/20/2009, 3:10am PDT 
I finally saw this. I-is it about war? I hope not. :( NT by Zsenitan 08/29/2009, 1:33am PDT 
Cameron must be pissed that Avatar was beaten to the punch (also in quality) by FABIO 09/05/2009, 3:43am PDT 
two more! by FABIO 09/05/2009, 4:02am PDT 
Re: two more! (finally saw this) by Bananadine 04/06/2010, 3:28pm PDT 
HERE'S A NICE PIECE OF SHIT by Jhoh Cause..... 2 04/06/2010, 3:53pm PDT 
Movies often have a lot of interesting and compelling coincidences. NT by Because they're 2 hours long. 04/06/2010, 5:12pm PDT 
Movies often suck by Bananadine 04/06/2010, 5:54pm PDT 
Re: District 9 is a stinging indictment of Nigerians. by i_hate_goons.vbs 09/07/2009, 6:09pm PDT 
Nigerians strike back by up with pod people 09/20/2009, 10:56am PDT 
SHOOT AN ALIEN ON THE RANGE by Gutsby 09/21/2009, 11:42am PDT 
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