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Re: ha ha by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 02/13/2013, 3:38pm PST
NAMBLA wrote:

Horrible Gelatinous Blob wrote:

NAMBLA wrote:

If you think these aren't the views and values of your average Catholic churchgoer, you haven't been to church lately.


Holy shit, do you EVEN know any Catholics under the age of 45?


Practicing ones who go to church or people who are simply Catholic by birth?

The latter is meaningless. The former? Yes the majority of them still cling to the belief that birth control and homosexuality are evil. More evil than war and murder.

I'm not talking about your yuppie friends who identify themselves as Catholic but are really just agnostic in practice. I'm talking Catholics who actively attend church and support the institution.

Here's some events I've witnessed in various Catholic masses across various states, over the course of ten years occasionally humoring an aging religious relative:


- Homosexuals are subhuman aberrations. Yes the priest used that exact phrase. In 2008.

- Huge letter mailing campaigns to representatives to criminalize abortion and the recent push to exempt employer health coverage from covering abortions and birth control. Priests actually using the word "tyranny" to describe being forced to do so along with their tax dollars supporting planned parenthood.

- Not one single fucking protest or effort to speak out against the war in Iraq. Not during the buildup not during the war and not during the occupation. Just sermons that the troops were "doing what must be needed" and to pray that they made it home safe. This is especially galling when compared to the political effort made over the previous point and the sudden vanishing of any protest over tax dollar use for non-fetus murder.


When was the last time you went to church?


I haven't been to Mass since I moved to Los Angeles in 2010, but for a myriad of reasons that I'd rather not elaborate on, there was a period of time immediately preceding my move where I was attending Mass on a weekly basis. When I was younger, I went to Mass several times a week thanks to Catholic school and various bargains made with my parent(s).

I don't really make the effort to defend the Church as an institution to Protestants; for one, the systematic and institutionalized nature of the Church's policy of concealment and reassignment of pedophiles is indefensible, and secondarily, there is such a wide gulf between what non-Catholics believe Catholicism is and what Catholics actually practice that it becomes frustrating to the point of impossibility to try to convince some Protestant who can't even pronounce catechism, much less spell it, that I know more about Catholicism that he or she does.

You paint all Catholics with a brush so broad that it edges into no true Scotsman territory, but all of the (anecdotal) evidence you offer stems from the institutional Catholic Church, whose failings, shortcomings, and criminal behavior has been well documented and is not in dispute. But we're not talking about the institution of the Church; we're talking about individual Catholics here. My (anecdotal) evidence is sourced from varying amounts of one-on-one interaction with a few dozen Catholics under 40: people who are tied to the church by tradition, family, or social pressure, who embrace much of the Church's doctrine regarding service and grace, but who feel no particular compulsion or pressure to toe the line on every last piece of dogma, particularly when the more troubling parts of that doctrine directly conflict with the core messages of humanism and God's unconditional love that define Catholicism (to Catholics, at least).

In any case: I'm sorry you've had such negative experiences with Catholics and Catholicism, but Catholics are more than the Church, more than the Vatican, more than any given piece of dogma, and more than your limited exposure.
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Turns out being the head of an institutionalized child rapery is hard. by Mischief Mephistopheles 02/11/2013, 6:39pm PST NEW
    Yup, that's exactly what the Catholic Church is, MischiefMaker NT by Normal people rolling their eyes 02/11/2013, 8:16pm PST NEW
        Re: Yup, that's exactly what the Catholic Church is, MischiefMaker by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/11/2013, 9:40pm PST NEW
            Microsoft and the Catholic Church by Tansin A. Darcos (TDARCOS) 02/11/2013, 10:31pm PST NEW
        Really, this is what normal people think? by laudablepuss 02/12/2013, 9:11am PST NEW
            Hm, good point. by Normal people rolling their eyes 02/12/2013, 6:44pm PST NEW
                Re: Hm, good point. by Mischief Maker 02/12/2013, 7:32pm PST NEW
                    I wonder why nobody ever makes hilarious videos about Islam raping women and the by n killing them for being dishonored 02/13/2013, 9:31am PST NEW
                        That's not happening to our own kids here in the States. by Mischief Maker 02/13/2013, 10:03am PST NEW
                            Re: That's not happening to our own kids here in the States. by Mysterio 02/13/2013, 11:55am PST NEW
                                The surest sign you're talking to a Mysterio who misses the point... by Mischief Maker 02/13/2013, 2:25pm PST NEW
                                    Oh, it's a Mysterio! I don't need to actually read what he said before by crafting my exquisite reply 02/14/2013, 8:16am PST NEW
                                        Hey, I'm not prejudiced against Mysterios! Some of my best friends are mysterios NT by Southern Strategy Maker 02/14/2013, 9:52am PST NEW
                                            Hey, we need to set up a fund to support all these Mysterios and TAXTAXTAXTAXTA NT by Yankee Strategifier 02/14/2013, 10:29am PST NEW
                                                Re: Hey, we need to set up a fund to support all these Mysterios and TAX by Mischief Maker 02/25/2013, 8:50pm PST NEW
                        Well this isn't "hilarious" by Mischief Maker 02/13/2013, 10:14am PST NEW
                        Re: I wonder why nobody ever makes hilarious videos about Islam raping women by Tansin A. Darcos (TDARCOS) 02/14/2013, 4:40pm PST NEW
                            Almost nobody makes unflattering comments about Scientology??? NT by Mischief Maker 02/14/2013, 10:40pm PST NEW
                                I meant to say that almost nobody in the media critiques Scientology NT by Tansin A. Darcos (TDARCOS) 02/15/2013, 2:15am PST NEW
                Re: Hm, good point. by Mysterio 02/12/2013, 8:20pm PST NEW
                    Oops, blew away my temp data. That was me. NT by laudablepuss 02/12/2013, 8:21pm PST NEW
                    Would people still give to The United Way if they abetted just 1 child rapist? NT by Mischief Maker 02/12/2013, 8:32pm PST NEW
                        Would people NOT call for ACORN's head over one sketchy claim of prostitution? NT by oops! 02/12/2013, 11:48pm PST NEW
                            I guess you fall into the "axe to grind" category. NT by laudablepuss 02/13/2013, 12:27pm PST NEW
                                What? I was supporting the argument against the church, you dummy by NAMBLA 02/13/2013, 1:05pm PST NEW
                                    Righto. Sounded like political retardation, sorry. by laudablepuss 02/13/2013, 1:43pm PST NEW
                ha ha by NAMBLA 02/12/2013, 11:46pm PST NEW
                    Re: ha ha by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 02/13/2013, 8:45am PST NEW
                        Re: ha ha by NAMBLA 02/13/2013, 12:55pm PST NEW
                            Re: ha ha by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 02/13/2013, 3:38pm PST NEW
                                You all mention the Pedobear Priests but what about the Magdalene Laundry? by Mysterio 03/07/2013, 7:56am PST NEW
                                    I have a pet name for charity hospitals by Tansin A. Darcos (TDARCOS) 03/07/2013, 8:26am PST NEW
                    Re: ha ha by Mysterio 02/13/2013, 9:36am PST NEW
                        So we have a Randian here who also supports religion: the worst kind by NAMBLA 02/13/2013, 1:01pm PST NEW
                            Re: So we have a Randian here who also supports religion: the worst kind by NAMBLA 02/13/2013, 1:08pm PST NEW
                                Re: So we have a Randian here who also supports religion: the worst kind by laudablepuss 02/13/2013, 1:24pm PST NEW
                            Re: So we have a Randian here who also supports religion: the worst kind by Mysterio 02/13/2013, 1:37pm PST NEW
                                Nice try, but you blew your cover when you casually mentioned wearing diapers. NT by Jerry Whorebach 02/13/2013, 6:06pm PST NEW
                        This made sense given you're also the mysterio in the gun control thread by fabio 02/14/2013, 8:37pm PST NEW
                            Re: This made sense given you're also the mysterio in the gun control thread by Mysterio 02/15/2013, 3:59pm PST NEW
                                You mean like they did during the Clinton Administration? NT by Mischief Maker jr. 02/15/2013, 4:21pm PST NEW
                                    Oh yeah, the government was definitely a smooth-running, well-oiled machine back by in the good old '90s 02/19/2013, 8:44am PST NEW
                                        Baldrick, do you know what irony is. :( by laudablepuss 02/19/2013, 10:39am PST NEW
                                        What are you basing any of this church > business > government logic on by NAMBLA 02/19/2013, 6:50pm PST NEW
                                            Re: What are you basing any of this church > business > government logic on by Mysterio 02/22/2013, 11:08am PST NEW
                                                I hope you're sitting down for this. The WoW claim is 100% false. by Last 02/25/2013, 7:47am PST NEW
                                                    I'm not sure how to break this to you... by Mysterio 02/25/2013, 10:03am PST NEW
                                                        Are we all supposed to "*pause* yeah" with you here? by laudablepuss 02/25/2013, 10:30am PST NEW
                                                            Re: Are we all supposed to "*pause* yeah" with you here? by Mysterio 02/25/2013, 4:02pm PST NEW
                                                        Obama gave me a grant of $10,000 to shit in your mouth, provide your address plz NT by Worm 02/25/2013, 11:07am PST NEW
                                                    Good thing the Catholic church doesnt pay people to do frivolous things by NAMBLA 02/25/2013, 6:05pm PST NEW
                                                        Re: Good thing the Catholic church doesnt pay people to do frivolous things by Mysterio 02/25/2013, 6:51pm PST NEW
                                                        OHHHHHHHHHH SHIT THIS IS EDGY RIGHT HERE NT by THIS GUY DOESN'T GO TO CHURCH YO 02/25/2013, 7:07pm PST NEW
                                                    also: ha ha by NAMBLA 02/25/2013, 6:19pm PST NEW
                                        Oh, I'm not saying the Republicans weren't threatening to shut govt down... by Mischief Maker 02/25/2013, 7:04pm PST NEW
                                            Y'know what? You're absolutely right by Mysterio 02/25/2013, 7:31pm PST NEW
                            By the way, by That's not me 02/25/2013, 7:33pm PST NEW
                    Re: ha ha by Mysterio 02/13/2013, 9:40am PST NEW
                        Re: ha ha by Mysterio 02/13/2013, 10:02am PST NEW
        Hey, another one, Normal People! This one's a Cardinal. by Mischief Maker 03/04/2013, 1:12pm PST NEW
            Re: Hey, another one, Normal People! This one's a Cardinal. by laudablepuss 03/04/2013, 2:23pm PST NEW
            Re: Hey, another one, Normal People! This one's a Cardinal. by Mysterio 03/04/2013, 4:29pm PST NEW
                I guess now we know why MM is a Mediator and not a practicing attorney NT by Phoenix Wright 03/04/2013, 5:07pm PST NEW
                    Ya got me. Not a child rapist. Just a Hypocrite. (Possibly a vanilla rapist?) by Mischief Maker 03/05/2013, 10:16pm PST NEW
                        Don't forget More, the other Thomas who "stood up" to a Henry by fabio 03/07/2013, 11:07am PST NEW
            Running a GLOBAL CHARITY seems to be how horrible people get away with things by Child's Play 03/05/2013, 12:29am PST NEW
 
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