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200,000 dead and Vested I'd still excusing Trump by What a fucking loser. 09/09/2020, 7:24am PDT
Vested Id wrote:

laudablepuss wrote:

Vested Id wrote:

I'm unsure what to say about this. Do you know anything at all about the vietnam war? We're play acting a conversation between a mature conservative veteran and an absurd know-it-all liberal, except weirdly you're the liberal.


Uh it's extremely simple. I don't trust the claim. I'm familiar with the person accused of saying it, and I know how easy it is to twist his words. If he said this around military guys who already dislike him, it's easy to see how they might clutch their ribbons over his stating common wisdom about the value of our sacrifice in Vietnam.


Also you asked why attacking a gold star family and McCain was bad. But first, this is not what you were saying. What were you saying again?

Vested Id wrote:

No one cares that he thinks Vietnam solders were "suckers", because they *were* if you mean it was a dumb war where they were being asked to needlessly give their lives. Give me more.


Do you consider yourself to be a conservative? Is agreeing with the President here okay? I don't think you can be a conservative and also have the opinion you've given here.


We're stuck at your confusion. I think someone may *say* the troops were "suckers" (even literally) meaning either they were victimized or that they were stupid for not escaping to Canada.

I assume you know exactly zero, so first off, the soldiers who went to Vietnam were drafted. Only wealthy scumbags like our terrible President managed to get out of it. Getting a doctor to diagnose you with fake bone spurs was not an option for most people.

But also, some CRAZY PEOPLE actually believe in this country and are willing to sacrifice for it. This is called "patriotism" and I'm sure you've never felt it in your life. But some people are willing, when their country asks, to give their service. It's bizarre I know!

So even though thoughts like "sunk costs" and "is this war justified" were above their pay grade, they nevertheless went out and fought and died for their country. Maybe you and our awful President can give them a tiny bit of consideration.


Hope this gave you a workout, because, yes, of course, and it's possible you have it right. But that would be a big deal and demands better support. I did actually know about the draft and was myself born on the 4th of July.

Back to McCain -- I think his trials and sacrifices stand on their own. Attacking him for somehow not being a war hero shows that you don't care about our country or our soldiers. Agreeing with our President makes you a brainless puppet and a sack of shit.


Ok stars and bars, I was trying to lead you to recount the specific instance, but that's fine, here it is. McCain called Trump's supporters "crazies", Trump says he regrets raising money for him because he lost and he doesn't like losers.

Frank Luntz: "But he's a war hero!" Trump: he's not a war hero, I mean he's a war hero because he got captured, and I like guys who didn't get captured. Also, maybe he's a war hero but he's being a dick to my very good supporters.

I agree, don't disparage those who served and gave a piece of themselves to a conflict. Also, if that's the foundation of your entire political career, for many decades, something you've used to smooth over a multitude of sins, and you're being a petty dick about the supporters of someone who is having more political success than you, maybe you're a bit corrupted by that pretense of virtue and it's time someone pushed back on it a little.

See how such a short exchange can be so complicated? Now imagine you're being curt about Nam in front of a four-star general who hates your guts.
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            Note: by laudablepuss 09/03/2020, 7:41pm PDT NEW
                He doesn't know by The "Oops, Donny" Guy 09/03/2020, 8:09pm PDT NEW
    The reports of his comments in France are confirmed btw by laudablepuss 09/05/2020, 2:46pm PDT NEW
        "Confirmed by anonymous source" = "confirmed" by the same source by Vested Id 09/05/2020, 3:47pm PDT NEW
            Has anyone mentioned you're an idiot? by laudablepuss 09/05/2020, 3:57pm PDT NEW
                Feeling insecure about your own intelligence? by Vested Id 09/05/2020, 4:17pm PDT NEW
                    I remember the 2004 RNC where they passed out purple heart band-aids. NT by Republicans respect nothing/nobody. 09/05/2020, 8:13pm PDT NEW
                        Didn't know that, great idea! by Vested Id 09/05/2020, 10:19pm PDT NEW
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                                Re: Dude, you need some better thought-leaders. by Vested Id 09/06/2020, 2:43pm PDT NEW
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                                            Porn is destroying humanity. Check. And your thoughts on violent videogames? by Footloose Maker 09/06/2020, 6:27pm PDT NEW
                                                U.S. Fertility rate hits record lows, MM continues jacking off with glee NT by Mysterio 09/06/2020, 9:24pm PDT NEW
                                                    I didn't realize Lizard King still posted here v_v by Jerry Whorebach 09/06/2020, 9:58pm PDT NEW
                                    The order of transition certainly shows who the more original of the two is NT by IPB 09/06/2020, 7:40pm PDT NEW
                                Imagine after 10 years of JK Rowlings Twitter account still buying ex post facto by authorial intent at face value 09/06/2020, 8:20pm PDT NEW
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                    Re: Feeling insecure about your own intelligence? by laudablepuss 09/06/2020, 11:19am PDT NEW
                    Re: Feeling insecure about your own intelligence? by laudablepuss 09/06/2020, 1:07pm PDT NEW
                        Both answered here by Vested Id 09/06/2020, 3:26pm PDT NEW
                            Swift boat smear: totally grassroots. Trump sharing veterans? by Hmmm no this can't be it's differen 09/07/2020, 5:00am PDT NEW
                                I screwed up my post. Ignore NT by Mysterio 09/07/2020, 7:31am PDT NEW
                            It's interesting having to explain what you used to claim to believe by laudablepuss 09/07/2020, 5:53pm PDT NEW
                                Redneck Rampage by Vested Id 09/09/2020, 12:24am PDT NEW
                                    200,000 dead and Vested I'd still excusing Trump by What a fucking loser. 09/09/2020, 7:24am PDT NEW
                                        Stay on topic NT by And invoke "NT"! 09/09/2020, 9:10am PDT NEW
                                        Also, by And invoke "NT"! 09/09/2020, 9:36am PDT NEW
                                            Wait... do you think MSNBC is the only place to get the current death toll? NT by Porn-Apocalypse Maker 09/09/2020, 10:32am PDT NEW
                                                Using it as a pivot from an unrelated topic NT by Vested Id 09/09/2020, 10:40am PDT NEW
                                                    Huh? by Mysterio 09/09/2020, 11:18am PDT NEW
    Gotta add the Obama stand in article. by Mysterio 09/07/2020, 5:29am PDT NEW
        Most pathetic thing I have ever seen in my life. What a FAT BITCH by Ulrachi 09/07/2020, 6:25am PDT NEW
            Re: Most pathetic thing I have ever seen in my life. What a FAT BITCH by Mischief Maker 09/07/2020, 6:52am PDT NEW
        Anyone want to guess why this video has been online since 2012 NT by Vested Id 09/07/2020, 2:36pm PDT NEW
            Re: Anyone want to guess why this video has been online since 2012 by Mysterio 09/07/2020, 6:48pm PDT NEW
                He made it for the 2012 Republican National Convention NT by Vested Id 09/07/2020, 8:15pm PDT NEW
                    Nope. He made it so he could jerk off to it. What a fat loser Trump is hahahah NT by Mysterio 09/08/2020, 7:25am PDT NEW
                        lol NT by Vested Id 09/08/2020, 9:04am PDT NEW
                            He is laughable yes ;) NT by Mysterio 09/08/2020, 2:47pm PDT NEW
    Fake art theft by Mysterio 09/07/2020, 10:59am PDT NEW
        worse yet: he twirled his moustache as he did it by Art Theft Schoolgirl 09/07/2020, 7:06pm PDT NEW
            Re: worse yet: he twirled his moustache as he did it by Mysterio 09/07/2020, 7:41pm PDT NEW
    Re: Trump and downplaying the virus by Mysterio 09/09/2020, 1:42pm PDT NEW
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