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Operation: Hammer Time
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by Senor Barborito 04/11/2003, 4:38pm PDT |
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Bob Shishka wrote:
laudablepuss wrote:
Anti-war argument: Saddam was not involved with Al-Quaeda.
Actual fact: Undoubtedly true.
There is clearly NO DOUBT in our minds. Why again?
Saddam was the frontman for secular Arabia, Osama Bin Laden/Taliban cronies for religious Arabia. Needless to say, "the USA MUST die" is about the only thing they agreed on, and Saddam was buddy-buddy with the US right up until Desert Storm - which is to say it's simply purely selfish motives, in his case.
There's a lot more reason for mutual assassination attempts than material assistance to be exchanged between the two.
While the government has tried to imply (witness all those stories about how the Whitehouse attempted, but failed yet again, to link 9/11-Saddam during the pre-war circus) there was a connection, there is not and has not been evidence to suggest such. The glaringly obvious reasons why they wouldn't (ie Osama hates Saddam almost as much, possibly more, than the US) have prevented the administration from attempting to build a half-assed case or release anything beyond a few vague 'well we think there COULD be a connection. Somehow." statements to satisfy the plebes. With nearly four-fifths of Americans swallowing this statement despite every major media report consistently pointing out there is no reason nor evidence to suspect such a link, one has to admire their ability to manipulate public opinion by feeding the public what it wants.
Of course, the skeptic shouts next, "Why would the public want to hear this? Why do they WANT this bias?" Because the public, until the very end of the pre-war frenzy, didn't really believe the case for chemical weapons - there was a mid-forties percent that didn't in a few polls, and some points of 'don't know' (smart choice).
In short the public wanted to have a reason to hate the enemy so they could feel justified in the result that we all knew was coming all along - the White House gave them that with it's vagueries and despite them being patently absurd, they fit what the people NEEDED to hear so perfectly that they latched onto the idea like a leech. Ergo percentage of population who believes in said link. They have to in order to support their country and thereby 'be patriotic.' Never realizing that all of this is the exact opposite of what democracy is about.
Shit, I've dropped straight from amateur psycholanalysis to preaching. How gauche.
Anyways, there you go. Best I could do on . . . God, days without sleep now.
Need bed. Argue later,
--SB
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BEST. QUAGMIRE. EVER. by USYAY! 04/10/2003, 1:35pm PDT 
I fixed it for you by Senor Barborito 04/10/2003, 1:39pm PDT 
Empty threats by t0ny 04/10/2003, 3:06pm PDT 
Well by Senor Barborito 04/10/2003, 3:20pm PDT 
Re: Well by laudablepuss 04/10/2003, 3:49pm PDT 
It was quietly announced a couple weeks back. No Kissinger this time. NT by Senor Barborito 04/10/2003, 4:13pm PDT 
Re: BEST. QUAGMIRE. EVER. by t0ny 04/10/2003, 3:03pm PDT 
Let's make a real score card by laudablepuss 04/10/2003, 5:09pm PDT 
Re: Let's make a real score card by Chairman Mao 04/10/2003, 5:36pm PDT 
Re: Let's make a real score card by t0ny 04/11/2003, 12:13pm PDT 
Can I play? by Dragon Worrier 04/10/2003, 5:46pm PDT 
Re: Can I play? by laudablepuss 04/10/2003, 6:06pm PDT 
Re: Can I play? by Dragon Worrier 04/10/2003, 6:15pm PDT 
And by Dragon Worrier 04/10/2003, 6:23pm PDT 
Re: Let's make a real score card by Senor Barborito 04/10/2003, 6:31pm PDT 
Iraq, the world, and everything by t0ny 04/11/2003, 1:03pm PDT 
Re: Iraq, the world, and everything by foogla 04/11/2003, 1:12pm PDT 
Re: Iraq, the world, and everything by t0ny 04/11/2003, 2:52pm PDT 
Re: Iraq, the world, and everything by foogla 04/11/2003, 3:32pm PDT 
Yeah, well by Senor Barborito 04/11/2003, 4:21pm PDT 
true NT by foogla 04/11/2003, 6:19pm PDT 
I'm sure Germany is just fucking thrilled to be almost nominated by I need clarification 04/12/2003, 11:19pm PDT 
Re: Iraq, the world, and everything by laudablepuss 04/11/2003, 5:05pm PDT 
Duuuuude by Senor Barborito 04/12/2003, 3:12pm PDT 
Jesus, enough with the non-stop German manlust already, fag by I need clarification 04/12/2003, 11:39pm PDT 
Re: Duuuuude by laudablepuss 04/13/2003, 5:45pm PDT 
Re: Duuuuude by USYAY! 04/14/2003, 9:16am PDT 
grow up kid NT by foogla 04/14/2003, 10:46am PDT 
Re: grow up kid by USYAY! 04/14/2003, 11:01am PDT 
Shouldn't you be banned from #ga for breaking rule number one? NT by foogla 04/14/2003, 11:30am PDT 
Re: Shouldn't you be banned from #ga for breaking rule number one? by USYAY! 04/14/2003, 11:35am PDT 
Re: Shouldn't you be banned from #ga for breaking rule number one? by Dead. Fucking. Last. 04/14/2003, 11:53am PDT 
Re: Shouldn't you be banned from #ga for breaking rule number one? by foogla 04/14/2003, 12:13pm PDT 
Re: Shouldn't you be banned from #ga for breaking rule number one? by t0ny 04/14/2003, 1:38pm PDT 
Re: Let's make a real score card by Bob Shishka 04/11/2003, 4:21pm PDT 
Re: Let's make a real score card by Senor Barborito 04/11/2003, 4:38pm PDT 
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